Can't deal with losing prestige...

[unmerged(137619)]

Hello,

I am a huge fan of the series, just acquired EUIII complete and cannot deal with degrading prestige. I am playing Hungary and the game automatically puts cores in neighboring countries, like Austria, the Ottman empire and so on. Would be quite stupid to attack them. This uncontested claims kill my prestige (it goes below 0... and just goes and goes...wtf). I do not enjoy this modification (I assume it was introduced with Divine Wind). Any hints how to deal with that problem? This issue is just making me hate ma fav strategy game... Please help

Thank you in advance
Davva

 

[Praetorian44]

I also feel that the degrading prestige due to uncontested is a little high. My only suggestion is to mod it out. You'll find this in common > static modifiers. Scroll down to uncontested_cores and then change the prestige loss to whatever you want (or even completely remove it if that's what you want).

EDIT: I should mention that if you choose to modify vanilla game files you won't be able to play multi-player. You could instead create your own mod (not hard to do).

 

[Poppy Appletree]

Hello,

I am a huge fan of the series, just acquired EUIII complete and cannot deal with degrading prestige. I am playing Hungary and the game automatically puts cores in neighboring countries, like Austria, the Ottman empire and so on. Would be quite stupid to attack them. This uncontested claims kill my prestige (it goes below 0... and just goes and goes...wtf). I do not enjoy this modification (I assume it was introduced with Divine Wind). Any hints how to deal with that problem? This issue is just making me hate ma fav strategy game... Please help

Thank you in advance
Davva

You say you have EUIII Complete, but suggest it was added in Divine Wind? Do you mean you have Chronicles? Complete does not include Divine Wind.

 

[grommile]

Keep an eye out for opportunities to kick your enemies when they're down. In the meantime, hire a Philosopher advisor and (if your compete chance is high enough) send some merchants to Novgorod (fur).

 

[unmerged(137619)]

Thank you for your answers. I do have Chronicles (in Poland it was released as Golden Edition, incl. Divine Wind, up to ver. 5.1).

I am really not a great fan of editing games. I just hope others can cope with this change, so probably I will as well....just need samoe hints. It is possible to deal with it, right?


Davva

 

[EUTony]

As much as I hate to admit it, if you open up the console using "~" and type "prestige" you get 15 prestige. I've used it when declining calls to war from some OPM that I've force released in a peace deal (forgot to break the auto-alliance).

 

[Dauth]

Uncontested cores are -0.3% prestige a year. Normal decay is -5.0% a year. If you can counteract the -5.0% from decay then the extra 0.3% should be no problem. You can always top up prestige killing other nations and then when you're strong enough go after the Austrians etc. If you're worried about the HRE then wait until Austria is in a war with the HRE and go in then. Also make use of Crusades against Ottomans, free prestige bonus on top of everything else.

 

[grommile]

Normal prestige decay is five percent of current prestige, always towards zero.

Unreclaimed cores cost you 0.3 points of prestige per year, meaning that with five unclaimed cores, your equilibrium prestige is -30 instead of zero.

 

[unmerged(137619)]

Could you explain me how does prestige decline work? As far as I understand the base decay is 5 (it affects prestige till hits 0, right? doesn't go to into minus?) And there are different other effects (like uncontested calims) that make prestige go below 0. How far prestige can go in minus? Is there a limit (I hope so...)? Sorry for these noob questions

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Normal prestige decay is five percent of current prestige, always towards zero.

Unreclaimed cores cost you 0.3 points of prestige per year, meaning that with five unclaimed cores, your equilibrium prestige is -30 instead of zero.

Does that mean you gain prestige if you have negative prestige?

 

[unmerged(62860)]

Does that mean you gain prestige if you have negative prestige?

yes, it strives toward 0, regardless of + or -.

 

[unmerged(137619)]

Sorry, guys, I do not understand. You are saying that decay also effects '-' prestige? It doesn't seem so. My prestige is just going down and down (now on -15). This will go on as it reaches -100???

 

[Manfred Cornburg]

There is a passive decay, 5 % I think, which always gravitates your prestige towards 0, in addition to those from uncontested claims

 

[Icendoan]

Sorry, guys, I do not understand. You are saying that decay also effects '-' prestige? It doesn't seem so. My prestige is just going down and down (now on -15). This will go on as it reaches -100???

If nothing is affecting my prestige apart from the default decay rate, it will tend towards zero. Note that this is as a percentage of your current prestige! Any gains or losses are in absolute terms - I will always get 1%/year from trading in fur, which may take my prestige from 0% to 1% in a year, not get me 0.1% at 10% prestige etc.

What this means is that the decay will gravitate to other values when you have a constant gain or loss of prestige - if I am trading in fur, and nothing else, my prestige will eventually be unchanging at 20%, as that is where the decay meets my absolute growth. If I have -1%/year, it will gravitate towards -20%, etc. If I am losing more prestige than -5%/year, my prestige will gravitate towards -100%, and I will have to take actions (like fighting wars, hiring philosophers) to keep my prestige high. Likewise, if I am gaining more than 5%/year, I will never have to worry about prestige.

The obvious solution to your problem is of course to start working on taking those provinces from your neighbouring countries. With a secure alliance and a bit of preparation, there is no reason why Hungary cannot beat Austria.

 

[arl]

I explained the decay/gaining prestige things here with some examples.

 

[unmerged(540854)]

Grommite's advice should get you out of the spiral.

In addition I would advice to take the austrians and Ottomans sooner rather then later.
- They start out mildly stronger then you but grow stronger much faster then you will, if not curtailed.
- The Golden Horde will come and bother you at some point, you do not want to get ambushed by an intact Austria or Ottomans when the tribesman come the first time.
- Both Austria and to a lesser extent the Ottomans are ver vulnerable early game because they are often at war.

They usually work with overwhelmable 12k stacks at the start that turn into 1 or more 100k stacks if you give them enough time. (which can be dealt with aswell ofcourse but I digress). Attacking sooner is easier. Make Austria release styria and Tirol while taking your cores and they should not bother you the rest of the game. Weaken the ottos enough and the timmies/horde/catholics should do them in for. + you can demand provincesof the ottoman vassals for regular WS and infamy even if it annexes them. (If you make the deal with overlord).

I took ou austria like this with a 7 province Bavaria in the first 15 years. It does requier carefull manouvering though. Lost in the first game because of one bad decision. Learned from it and rolled em up on the second try in a fresh game.

 

[knul]

You can always intentionally lose a war and give up your claims. This will cause a big loss in prestige, but at least you're rid of those cores.

 

[unmerged(465279)]

Declare war on a pitiful country could get you some prestige.