Can't ask for association status with federation

[dawg]

As the title says, I can't seem to get association with a federation in my game.
I get -1000 to asking for association status because of "Dislike Qell'Nudar Confederation".
When I check our relations, they like me by +74 and I like them by +2.
I have a positivt relation with all the other federation members aswell, although it doesn't say that is a problem.
So what is the problem? Me not liking them enough? So how much do I to need to like them?

 

[AvalancheZ250]

As the title says, I can't seem to get association with a federation in my game.
I get -1000 to asking for association status because of "Dislike Qell'Nudar Confederation".
When I check our relations, they like me by +74 and I like them by +2.
I have a positivt relation with all the other federation members aswell, although it doesn't say that is a problem.
So what is the problem? Me not liking them enough? So how much do I to need to like them?

A bug, most probably.

 

[The Founder]

For any form of Federation Diplomacy, all members must agree. Unanimous votes are the only votes.

Do you by chance have no contact with the Quell Nudar? I noticed that the "-1000" is automatically applied if you lack communication.

Showing us a screenshoot of the "Request Association" tooltip would go a long way for us to help you.

 

[dawg]

Yeah I know, but I never get those screens right... Anyway I solved it by going rival with their rival, ending up with what I guess was enough positive opinion towards them.
I thought about the need to be positive with them all, but according to the tool-tip, no matter which federation member I checked at, it was always "Dislike Qell'Nudar Confederation" that was the problem.
Unfortunately I never checked exactly what my opinion with them was by the time I got the associations status, but it should have been around 37+ or so. I was at 12+ and couldn't join and rivals give you 25+ I think? There abouts anyway.
Whether it was my opinion with Dislike Qell'Nudar Confederation that was too low or that I didn't have enough opnion with the other members, the tool-tip feels a bit lacking.

 

[The Founder]

Unfortunately I never checked exactly what my opinion with them was by the time I got the associations status, but it should have been around 37+ or so. I was at 12+ and couldn't join and rivals give you 25+ I think? There abouts anyway.

Yes, "Common Rival" gives +25.

Indeed that bonus should not be forgotten when picking rivals - they will eventually get along quite well because of you.

 

[Syr]

The AI shouldn't try to over-predict your opinion towards someone.
Unfortunately it does. What you're getting is because it says YOUR opinion towards THEM is neutral (yeah, apparently neutral is disliking them) or lower - I believe the -1000 goes away at receptive or better, but sometimes may still show up at low levels of cordial. If you want federation association status with people who don't dislike you, it should just let that happen, even if it predicts you dislike one of them for non-obvious reasons (ie, rivaling, insuilts, were at war, etc)

 

[dawg]

Yeah I thought that it might be that "neutral", which I can't know if I was, probably wasn't good enough. But as you say, projecting my "opinion" like that isn't really plausible.

 

[scaper12123]

The game actually takes into account what your government would think of another nation if you were an AI. This is presumably to prevent a player from convincing a dozen nations to form a federation with them right from the beginning and create an immediate federation victory

 

[Syr]

The game actually takes into account what your government would think of another nation if you were an AI. This is presumably to prevent a player from convincing a dozen nations to form a federation with them right from the beginning and create an immediate federation victory

Perhaps that could have been a legacy consideration from some old old pre-release version, but thats pretty implausible in any normal sized games as the game (at least since release) factors in things like distances and the AI players interrelationships.

 

[scaper12123]

Perhaps that could have been a legacy consideration from some old old pre-release version, but thats pretty implausible in any normal sized games as the game (at least since release) factors in things like distances and the AI players interrelationships.

Well whatever it is, it can be annoying at times but it helps you stick to roleplay. I recently managed to get into a federation in my most recent playthrough as an evangelizing zealot. With anybody else my empire would have said no, but I ended up federation-ing it up with a hegemonic imperialist and another evangelizing zealot. (this proved to be an absolutely terrible idea but nvm). Part of the reason I was able to form it was the positive opinion I got from the nearby awakened empire conquring the galaxy (and this playthrough is over by this point due to said conquest).