Can't ask courtiers to leave??

[LondonSmith]

I have waaaaaaay too many courtiers and would love to kick a few out. I was able to send two people out, but I can't find a single other person to boot! I have a lot of close relatives in my court, and several people who I have given titles or placed in my council; I'm not trying to get rid of them, I'm trying to get rid of people who are doing nothing but take up space. Why can I ask some to leave, and not others?
FYI: I have all DLC

 

[makaramus]

can you give us an example character? like a screen shot?(dont need to diplomatic options screen I will take your word with it dont need to fill screen with it)

 

[iniudan]

You cannot ask people who are councilor, commander, regent and court physician to leave, have to fire them first. You also cannot ask the spouse of those and of your relative to leave.

 

[LondonSmith]

You can't ask a single person of your dynasty to leave? Even if they're just a relative and not a nephew/uncle/niece/aunt/son/daughter etc

 

[iniudan]

You can't ask a single person of your dynasty to leave? Even if they're just a relative and not a nephew/uncle/niece/aunt/son/daughter etc

Only way to get relative to leave is to land them, send them to holy order or order to take vow.

 

[Lewa263]

As was previously said, there's not much we can do but guess why based on how little info you've given. One cause of this I ran into recently is that if you imprison somebody and their liege loses all land, their family comes to your court. The spouse can't be asked to leave until you release the prisoner (or execute them or banish or whatever), and kids can't be asked to leave until they grow up.

 

[LondonSmith]

I don't need to give too much info since iniudan seems to have explained it pretty well. So many of my courtiers are of my own dynasty, and it seems like those that aren't are married to someone who is. I wish I had a ton of land to give out, but I don't. :/

 

[TheRealRemus]

off topic:
do dynastic familymembers also suffer from the fertility penalty from filled courts?
I dont like full courts either, but as long as they are breeding family members I dont mind them.

Wiki sais that relative do at least NOT get a Health penalty but its not clear if those are affected by the fertility penalty or not.

 

[knppel]

You, Sir, deserve your own bloodline to be introduced for getting this brilliant idea. Same as "invite to court" there needs to be "make leave court"- typically to another relative or neighbour if no landed relatives. Of course they keep their money if simply asked to not hang around anymore rather than banishing them for crime or as act of tyranny, but honestly- it sounds very reasonable to tell your third son at some point to go have his wife make his dinner in hiw own home as he's never gonna inherit your castle anyway.

 

[faiuwle]

There is an "ask to leave court" button, and it works even on married characters, although unfortunately it doesn't cause them to take their families with them. I don't think I've ever tried asking dynasty members to leave, though, as I usually want them to go to a specific place, so I generally will tag switch to wherever I want them to go and then use the move command to get them there.

 

[Lewa263]

You, Sir, deserve your own bloodline to be introduced for getting this brilliant idea. Same as "invite to court" there needs to be "make leave court"- typically to another relative or neighbour if no landed relatives. Of course they keep their money if simply asked to not hang around anymore rather than banishing them for crime or as act of tyranny, but honestly- it sounds very reasonable to tell your third son at some point to go have his wife make his dinner in hiw own home as he's never gonna inherit your castle anyway.

That would allow you to skirt around the prestige penalty for not giving that third son some land, though. If such a thing were allowed, then the decision shouldn't be usable on your own succession-eligible children.

 

[faiuwle]

The unlanded son prestige penalty only applies to sons in your court? Why would it work like that?

 

[Lewa263]

The unlanded son prestige penalty only applies to sons in your court? Why would it work like that?

Maybe it's only if they're in your realm, not just in your court, I'm not sure. But I know that when I marry my son to a noblewoman who inherits a title and takes him away, I'm no longer penalized.

 

[faiuwle]

I thought being married to someone with land was a special circumstance that removed the penalty, similar to how the penalty is removed if you make your son a monk.

 

[iniudan]

I thought being married to someone with land was a special circumstance that removed the penalty, similar to how the penalty is removed if you make your son a monk.

That only if the person they are married to is not your vassal.

 

[knppel]

And the son maybe was not the best example- usually you want to keep those around anyway after all. The prestige penalty for unlanded sons in Gavelkind could stay as for that part (not like it was a big deal either way). More relevant than too many sons is all these random people who end up losing their lands and then hang at your court with their whole family, bringing in nothing but murder plots, STD and typically no valuable artifacts.

 

[LondonSmith]

Yeah, I would probably never send a son or daughter away like that. Pretty much just care about sending useless uncles and cousins away. Or even just distant relatives who are of my dynasty

 

[jonjowett]

Yeah, I would probably never send a son or daughter away like that. Pretty much just care about sending useless uncles and cousins away. Or even just distant relatives who are of my dynasty

Because of the gavelkind issues noted above, it's probably better to limit it to distant relatives.

 

[knppel]

More relevant than relatives are random courtiers. A big family is a big family and one thing.
However, play a niche religion in 867 for example (Try Shia, for instance). It will fail 9/10 games unless you bother to reform and spread it, with tons of random families ending up at your court with their whole kinsmen attached, since- assuming you stay shia and manage to not get game over- they all will join your court due to their fitting religion, and selection of rulers of certain religions often dwindling fast.

In my current Fatimid-Damascus game, I still have over a douzen members of Houses Rassid, Alavid and Ukhaidirid at my court each, despite them joining me almost a century ago after losing their start titles, and since generations having new land under my protection.