Canadian loyalists...

[Lucidor]

I'd never thought you'd put up this big a fight for your English Overlords (TM). Partisan armies seem to pop up and fight for the queen all the time.

The thing is that I'm trying to wrestle the Canadian posessions from the English, so I took the opportunity of fighting her over some border incident (54-40 or fight). Anyway - I have managed to get a 20% war score, which may give me one or two or provinces. I own about twenty of them, plus a bunch of TP:s.

What strikes me as pretty weird is that war score is calculated from total provinces, and has nothing to do with the value of the provinces. This way I have to invade England proper and India to get them to realise it's time to let go of Canada. The only way I can get any progress territorialwise is settling the areas next to English missions and such, and then when I have the whole province claim it as a whole.

(Was it like this in EU? The provinces were larger and countries smaller, so I guess I never noticed it that much.)

Anyway, I hope that future patches will let war score be affected by the value of the provinces (the % of war score shown in the peace resolution box)

 

[LordStark]

Originally posted by Lucidor
I'd never thought you'd put up this big a fight for your English Overlords (TM). Partisan armies seem to pop up and fight for the queen all the time.

The thing is that I'm trying to wrestle the Canadian posessions from the English, so I took the opportunity of fighting her over some border incident (54-40 or fight). Anyway - I have managed to get a 20% war score, which may give me one or two or provinces. I own about twenty of them, plus a bunch of TP:s.

What strikes me as pretty weird is that war score is calculated from total provinces, and has nothing to do with the value of the provinces. This way I have to invade England proper and India to get them to realise it's time to let go of Canada. The only way I can get any progress territorialwise is settling the areas next to English missions and such, and then when I have the whole province claim it as a whole.

(Was it like this in EU? The provinces were larger and countries smaller, so I guess I never noticed it that much.)

Anyway, I hope that future patches will let war score be affected by the value of the provinces (the % of war score shown in the peace resolution box)

Of course we do ... English Canada was settled by two main groups in the 18th and 19th century: British immigrants and American loyalists fleeing the revolutionary rabble.

 

[Lucidor]

After a six or something year war I've discovered I can't even make a no-gain peace with England, and I'm at 20% warscore... WHAT can you do?

 

[Fossa]

Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by LordStark
Of course we do ... English Canada was settled by two main groups in the 18th and 19th century: British immigrants and American loyalists fleeing the revolutionary rabble.

You forgot the mighty Swiss in Ross River. This might be a bug though.

 

[unmerged(17995)]

Can't you increase your war score by winning battles? Perhaps (a) wait for them to land and beat the snot out of them, or (b) fight some naval battles to kick their ass, or (c) convince others to enter the war in places that will hurt them.


Or take other colonies; Bermuda, Jamaica, etc.

 

[Lucidor]

Originally posted by Rick III
Can't you increase your war score by winning battles? Perhaps (a) wait for them to land and beat the snot out of them, or (b) fight some naval battles to kick their ass, or (c) convince others to enter the war in places that will hurt them.


Or take other colonies; Bermuda, Jamaica, etc.

Nope, no war score for me when I kill 500 k soldiers. The war has been on for over ten years.

Two theories:

1) claiming those colonies west has some hidden significance
2) My military score (10th in the world) isn't scary enough.

 

[Tim O]

You've killed a lot of them, but have you ever truly defeated them decisively or are all those casulties from bloody, yet indesicive battles?

EDIT: Ten Years! I would think that one or both of the countries would have collapsed by now!

 

[unmerged(13380)]

Ten years? Well it shoulden't be that surprising. The history is full of examples when countries never give up something before they att totaly overwelmed. Just to give some Swedish examples. Great Nordic war and of course the war under the napoleon era, when we lost Finland.

It seems that them english never will give att thier brothers and sisters, them loyal Canadians, to you.

 

[Charles VII]

Originally posted by Lucidor
(54-40 or fight)

That's the spirit!

Do you have all of Canada and only 20%?

 

[Lucidor]

Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Charles VII
That's the spirit!

Do you have all of Canada and only 20%?

Yep, because GB's ownings are so damn huge!

 

[Tim O]

Well there must be some way to do it, because I've seen a screenshot where the US controlled by the AI has annexed the western half of Canada.

 

[Johan]

Re: Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Lucidor
Yep, because GB's ownings are so damn huge!

Thats why they don't really think the temporary occupation
of Canada by foreign forces is something that should force them to negotiate

 

[Tim O]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Johan
Thats why they don't really think the temporary occupation
of Canada by foreign forces is something that should force them to negotiate

Then how is it possible for the US to conquer Canada? It's been occupied for many years. I think they would have given up by now in real life.

 

[unmerged(18269)]

What if the occupation lasts 30 year s?

 

[saskganesh]

yeah caanda. fooled the americans again!

" why won't the canucks surrender? don't they hate the british too?"

should have learned that from 1775-76 and 1812-1814.

 

[Lucidor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Johan
Thats why they don't really think the temporary occupation
of Canada by foreign forces is something that should force them to negotiate

And yet someone wrote an event giving me the option to release the Eastern states as vassals while keeping my Annexed British Columbia...

(I hadn't gotten that far.)

I fear now, that the Brits will be very hard to negotiate peace with, since I have less than 14% now.

 

[unmerged(10426)]

In EU II provinces were 'weighted' AFAIK.

 

[unmerged(16585)]

that'll learn ya

 

[Faeelin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Johan
Thats why they don't really think the temporary occupation
of Canada by foreign forces is something that should force them to negotiate

So I understand this, the British position is that because they have vast forces everywhere but Canada, they shouldn't have to cede territory in Canada?

 

[Lucidor]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Canadian loyalists...

Originally posted by Faeelin
So I understand this, the British position is that because they have vast forces everywhere but Canada, they shouldn't have to cede territory in Canada?

Perhaps the computer should learn to weigh in the amount of punishment it has taken.

As it was, there was an event that stopped the war and gave me all I wanted (OK, I had to have two vassals also). Then I had to cede three provinces to England (they came after me hard and in numbers, so I couldn't fence them off and made a quick peace when they had taken five provinces).

The thing is, since this system is in place, it severely limits any non-scripted war. The game is supposed to be open ended, I think!