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Originally posted by Trip
I'm still wondering why this thread hasn't been banished to the bowels of OT... :rolleyes: :p

LoL... I can't belive such a topic as "Canada invades U.S.!! Computer Game Shipments Canceled!!" has turned into a serious debate over who won the 'War' of 1812. ;) :D

It is bizarre, no doubt about that. On both counts. Espcially since everyone knows that the japanese won the war of 1812.
 

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Seeing how you are intend on bashing Canada let’s start bashing the US. The US claims to fight for freedom where behind everyone’s back aids rebels in overthrowing a democratic country . Example Chile and god knows how many more, and a question has that CIA Director been changed with war crimes yet? In relating to Afghanistan you taught them how to fight and armed them when U.S.S.R. invaded then you left with out saying thank you and helping them after there country was destroyed. I would say that is one of your biggest mistakes for if you helped them or never got involved 9/11 would never had happened. You have such a messed up voting system it take the supreme count to decide who won now is the US not a democracy. In the WW 2 you had to use Disney as a propaganda tools to convince you to go to war. And you do know the US’s blockade of Japan forced them to attack Pearl Harbour. And if your soldiers are still as bad as they were on D-day I am surprised you have won any wars. What I mean by that is 50 % of your soldiers didn’t fire their guns, 25% fired but did not aim, and the remaining 25% actually fired and aimed their guns. A little side note US soldiers shot and killed 200 Japanese prisoners of war so they could go to sleep. And you do know the Gulf War was only about money. Also your so called patriot missile defence system which you said shot down 8/10 missiles where it actually shot down 2/10. You say you can proved Saddam has weapons of mass destruction of course you can seeing how you gave them to him. It’s strange how when he’s fighting Iran he is your friend but now he is not. And about the Vietnam War how can you say you won when U.S. casualties rose to a total of 57,685 killed and about 153,303 wounded and the cost of the war has been estimated to total about $200 billion and North Vietnam took control of the country. I will stop for know but I just have one more question how can a country(US) that was created by an act of terrorism condemn an act of terrorism?
 

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OK, I tried humor to return the thread to its lighthearted beginnings. Obviously that didn't work. (Not a single comment on my press release and I spent over 5 whole minutes writing that! *sigh*)

I think it is time to let this whole debate die before it gets any nastier.


"Ignorance in the pursuit of Extremism is indeed a vice!"
- Gary Boldwater
 

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Originally posted by jchastain
OK, I tried humor to return the thread to its lighthearted beginnings. Obviously that didn't work. (Not a single comment on my press release and I spent over 5 whole minutes writing that! *sigh*)

I think it is time to let this whole debate die before it gets any nastier.


"Ignorance in the pursuit of Extremism is indeed a vice!"
- Gary Boldwater

Yeah, i tried humour too, and no dice. Too bloody serious in here. The funniest thing is that both canada and the usa really deserve a good bashing, but nobody here seems to get the real reasons for that observation :D
 

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President Bush today took the dramatic step of adding Canada to the infamous "axis of evil". In a statement in the Rose Garden the President was quoted as saying "If they think they can just delay a game, you know that Hearts of Iron one so many Americans want to play, just whenever they want, and that we as a superpower won't have, even can't have, anything to say about it then they are just flat wrong. Flat Wrong. America stands for freedom. And on behalf of all freedom loving people around the world we will build a coalition of like minded gamers and we will act. And today I have instructed the Secretary of Defense and my entire cabinet to do just that."

I don't think Bush could turn on a computer by himself, let alone play a strategy game :p
 

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Tau hardly speaks for the vast majority of Canadian's, myself included.

"For example when relating to foreign aid instead of giving money to another government why not give the supplies they need. "

You do know that this is one of the big reasons why a good chunk of Africa is starving. The biggest problem is that by giving third world nations lots of supplies you usually end up making the problem worse. Most people think that by shipping vast quanities of grain and food to starving nations at low cost (or free) is a good humanitarian idea. However what happens is that farmers who live in those countries can not compete with free food. When low cost "aid" supplies are available people will not buy local products. What happens is that those local farmers can no longer make a living farming and end up moving to the city with the hopes of finding some kind of job. The result is that local production of food drops while the population that needs to be fed increases and the problem gets worse.

The most effective aid programs are not cash or supplies (both of which tend to get siphoned off by corrupt officials), but local grants. You go into the villages and farms and help the people obtain what they need in order to become productive, that may include training, grants and interest free loans towards purchasing equipment etc. As the story goes, give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish (and help him get a fishing rod) and he eats for life.


As for the war of 1812 sure we burned Washington, the US burned Toronto (then York), so I guess we're even. No one won the war.
 

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Hehe our defense spending is aweful ...we dont pull our own weight in NATO.

IMHO, we are spending far too much on defense. It just seems like a inadequate amount because the US is spending at least twenty times more than they should on defense.

<i>I'd like to see you hold back 5,000 (that's a conservatives estimate) soldiers with 185 men for 13 days.</i>

Sounds like a job for the Spartans.;)

<i>Canada is a 1 party state that is perminantly dominated by the Liberals and Ontario.</i>

America is a 1 party (Republicrat) state that is dominated by giant corporations.:)
 

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Originally posted by St. Leo
Hehe our defense spending is aweful ...we dont pull our own weight in NATO.

IMHO, we are spending far too much on defense. It just seems like a inadequate amount because the US is spending at least twenty times more than they should on defense.

<i>I'd like to see you hold back 5,000 (that's a conservatives estimate) soldiers with 185 men for 13 days.</i>

Sounds like a job for the Spartans.;)

<i>Canada is a 1 party state that is perminantly dominated by the Liberals and Ontario.</i>

America is a 1 party (Republicrat) state that is dominated by giant corporations.:)


No one can argue with the fact that the US devouts a large portion of its budget to its armed forces. My comment was not meant to invite comparison between defense expenditures in the United States and those in Canada.

A recent report released by the Senate, and statements provided by members of all federal parties, confirm that the Canadian Armed Forces as an insittution is underfunded.

What does this mean?
1]Canada's military is being asked to do too much in terms of UN peace keeping and other international involvement as per the amount of resources dedicated by Ottawa to the military.

2]Top military brass in this country do not believe the armed forces have the capability to respond to wide scale national emergencies to there fullest capacity.

3] Canada's border and coastline, one of the very largest in the world, is vunerable to illict smuggling, inflitration, and immigration.

Now, given that all of these facts can be confirmed by the Senate report (www.gc.ca), we are faced with some decisions. We can:

1] dismantle our military, and allow the United States responsibility for securing the borders, handling all matters of military security, and our international commitments.

2] expand funding to the military, increasing its capabilities.

3] maintain the status quo(the current government policy)

Each choice has drawbacks:

1] loss of sovereignty, ability to formulate made-in Canada foreign policy

2] expansion can only proceed at the expense of health care and other departmental funding. Unfortunatly, budget division is a zero-sum game.

3] problems in the military will persist, as outlined above.

As Canadians, we must decide our national policy. Whatever we agree on, consesus will be the result of democratic process.
 

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Oh, for the love of God.

You guys wouldn't know the appropriate forum to have such a discussion in if it swam up your urethra, anchored itself with spines and laid eggs inside you.

Mods, why aren't you shutting down this thread?

Cheers,

Dr. Charm
 

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"Tau hardly speaks for the vast majority of Canadian's, myself included.” Spotticus

I never said I spoke for the vast majority of Canadians. I believe the PM said it best, “we still have freedom of speech in this country.”

“The biggest problem is that by giving third world nations lots of supplies you usually end up making the problem worse. Most people think that by shipping vast quanities of grain and food to starving nations at low cost (or free) is a good humanitarian idea.” Spotticus

Who said we had to send them food why not give them the supplies they need to farm the land ex. seeds and equipment. Where the big problem with sending them money is you have no control over where it goes for all you know they use it on their military or keep the money for themselves like most of them do.

"As the story goes, give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish (and help him get a fishing rod) and he eats for life."

I do agree with this.
 

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Originally posted by Dr.Charm
Oh, for the love of God.

You guys wouldn't know the appropriate forum to have such a discussion in if it swam up your urethra, anchored itself with spines and laid eggs inside you.

Mods, why aren't you shutting down this thread?

Cheers,

Dr. Charm

If someone chooses to misinform, I will try to correct the mistake. Im sorry im not abidding by your forum-Nazi guildlines.
 

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And yes, I am aware these guildlines are set out by Paradox, not you. I try to follow them as much as the next guy. But, imo, if the offender statement is not corrected by the mods... ie the statement I responded to... with deletion of the thread, in accordance with the guildlines, then it is fair game for responders.
 

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Two questions:

1) If Canada is invading the US, where are our pacifists, conscientious objectors, and draft dodgers supposed to move to now?

2) And why is noone singing "Blame Canada! Blame Canada!" ?

:)