Canada and annexed major Powers

[Pioniere]

I consider an event that makes Canada claims Newfoundland and Labrador if UK will be annexed by a nation.
I also thinks Labrador should be directly handed over to Canada. I also wonder if USA would be interested in Newfoundland if UK is annexed and even not at war?

Would parts of Alaska be parts of Canada’s interest if USA no longer exist?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfo...n_of_Government_and_confederation_with_Canada

 

[Commander666]

Well, I was raised in Canada and assure you all your ideas are spot on.

1) Definitely if UK annexed, Labrador and Newfoundland go automatically to Canada. In fact, if London is lost then Labrador and Newfoundland go to Canada. Churchill and his fleeing ministers can not be allowed to seek refuge in a manner that seriously threatens Canadian security. Canada must have ability to convoy to Newfoundland and have their AI encouraged to defend Labrador and Newfoundland when the UK crumbles. It is simply TOTALLY SILLY that German player can do unopposed landing at Labrador and Newfoundland (but Baffin Island is guarded?). In fact, any German player using that hideous exploit should be ashamed of themselves.

2) No, USA should not get Newfoundland. It is Canadian by rights.

3) If USA gets annexed, definitely Alaska immediately becomes Canadian. In fact, USA should give Alaska to Canada once West Coast is invaded IF NO AMERICAN TROOPS STATIONED IN ALASKA. Simply put, if West Coast had been invaded, USA would not have bothered defending Alaska... and so Canada would be left responsible for its defense. To replicate that using the current AI, firstly Alaska needs to be Canadian for any Canadian troop to even go there.

 

[Pioniere]

In the event when UK surreders to Germany(Partition of United Kingdom)
#If UK still controlls, Canada takes control
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CAN value = 576 } # Newfoundland
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CAN value = 575 } # Labrador

 

[Commander666]

I like to reiterate that the problem exists BEFORE UK surrender event can occur. It is not in the best interests of this game for UK to lose London and move capital to Newfoundland (or anywhere)... and so leave an "open door into Canada" as long as the UK exists.

There should be a new event once UK losses London because that signifies a UK so weakened that Canada would no longer abide by the earlier agreements regarding Labrador and Newfoundland. Those two provinces should then go to Canada to fit the reality of Canadian defense policy in WW2... and stop the game having the ridiculous situation of an empty Labrador and Newfoundland with a Germany controlling London; and therefore very capable of amphibious assaults.

 

[Pioniere]

That might be a more usefull trigger for an event that makes Canada have claims on Labrador and Newfoundland regardless which enemy controls London.

Well often I see UK have a new capital in India when Britain is taken by the Axis.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

Would it make any sense for Canada to start with claims on Labrador and Newfoundland? Events would then only cause the transfer to Canada once London and bit more has fallen.

 

[Pioniere]

Would it make any sense for Canada to start with claims on Labrador and Newfoundland? Events would then only cause the transfer to Canada once London and bit more has fallen.

If uk is falling someone else is going to take the lead. Labrador and Newfoundland would natrually go to Canada, but myabe we should let it take a few months afther the transfer before Canada gets those two as cores? For simulate integration.
I think if London, Manchester and Edinburgh is no longer in UKs controll Canada get the transfer of those two provnices.

I have also read that Ireland and UK had an agreement of coperation if the Axis treid to invade the British islands. But Im not sure if Ireland would dow Germany if it also controls european-russia.

we might alos consider a smal gear of war event for the USA if U73 is allied to Germany or the soviets.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

If uk is falling someone else is going to take the lead. Labrador and Newfoundland would natrually go to Canada, but myabe we should let it take a few months afther the transfer before Canada gets those two as cores? For simulate integration.

This means that canada will continue to keep local dissent after gaining them as cores. In fact dissent will rise strongly due to open society. If integrating them is supposed to take only a few months, than this should already be simulated by provincial efficiency.

we might alos consider a smal gear of war event for the USA if U73 is allied to Germany or the soviets.

There is no need for this. The existing gearing event chain should already cover this.

 

[Pioniere]

"This means that canada will continue to keep local dissent after gaining them as cores. In fact dissent will rise strongly due to open society. If integrating them is supposed to take only a few months, than this should already be simulated by provincial efficiency."

Well perhapes Canada could start to the game with claim on Labrador. When UK loses controll on Newfoundland Canada get a claim on it aswell similar to nationalist china and hongkong. Uk should be restricted to not trasfer those provnices to easly unles it get into much problems.
1948 is the year UK historically tranfered those two provnices thats would be good spot for an event.

 

[Commander666]

1) Canada did have claim on Labrador. "Possession of Labrador was disputed by Quebec and Newfoundland until 1927, when the British privy council demarcated the western boundary, enlarged Labrador's land area, and confirmed Newfoundland's title to it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...brador#International_conflicts_and_agreements

2) An event in 1948 to transfer Labrador and Newfoundland to Canada is good, but....

3) It is all meaningless if you have Wehrmacht divisions that just landed at Newfoundland unopposed after taking UK Isles if that is before 1948 - as is most likely to happen in SP.

4) The needed change is getting Canada to station a division in Labrador and Newfoundland as soon as possible after a successful Sea Lion. All the above ideas and proposals fail to address that issue. As stated, game needs new event that fires once London is lost that then transfers Labrador and Newfoundland to Canada - as fits reality if such situation had ever occurred.

It must be most evident to anybody, I would think, that the Canadian army would not have been so stupid to defend all of Canada while realizing that Labrador and Newfoundland are undefended and do absolutely nothing about it IF Sealion had been attempted, and succeeded. If there was no more British Parliament in London (because the enemy took that capital) Canada would simply have done what was expedient to secure the undefended provinces - even if they were owned by UK.

But the game has a problem with the AIs not moving troops into another country's territory. So, this discussion really should be about how to get Canada to defend Labrador and Newfoundland when that is needed... and not the legal transfer of Labrador and Newfoundland in 1948. I think the best solution is what I proposed: "Once London falls, Labrador and Newfoundland go to Canada by event." The UK can relocate its capital to anywhere else.

 

[Commander666]

Uk should be restricted to not trasfer those provnices to easly unles it get into much problems.

I think UK losing London qualifies for "get into much problems."

 

[Pioniere]

I think UK losing London qualifies for "get into much problems."

He he, yes losing London would be hard time for UK. Its just that to make sure that UK is really losing and there is no possibel counter attack possibel for the time being.
In most cases from what I recal whenever UK is losing London it loses Britain as well.
We will see if we can make an event for this in 1.11 if not we should have something in a 1.12

Possibel event pic for Canada

 

[Pang Bingxun]

In most cases from what I recal whenever UK is losing London it loses Britain as well.

I have seen german AI take London but shortly aften being crushed. The high max Org allows germany to push hard, thus even slightly inferior forces can have initial sucess, but be beaten soon after.

 

[Commander666]

In most cases from what I recal whenever UK is losing London it loses Britain as well.

It doesn't matter. If London had ever been seized by the Wehrmacht, Canada would immediately have taken military control of Labrador and Newfoundland.

One needs to properly consider the ramifications of a lost capital and how allies would react to that loss... and not procrastinate on the basis that "maybe" the horrible situation will fix itself.