Can you think of a way Japan could have successfully invaded the US mainland?

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I can't. Maybe you can? Success is not invading the while country, just enough to force Washington to concede to Japanese aims in Asia and the pacific.

How on earth could you get a decent supply line running?
 

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Well I suppose hypothetically if they had never invaded most of the other places they did, like CHINA, then they might have had enough manpower available.
That alone though won't cut it of course and I don't see them actually getting an invasion force anywhere near mainland USA. Even if they somehow took Hawaii I don't see them being able to move any further.
 

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This is one of those topics where there is a simple answer. They had no way to invade the US. To win the war Japan would have had to be able to keep the US out of Asia and their side of the Pacific, but there was no way they could have threatened US itself.
 

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Giant Catapult Stormtroopers fired from Tokyo to major US cities. Soldiers are to be supplied by catapult. Supplies also double as light artillery. Stormtroopers are advised to wear hard-hats over their helmets in case of supply-related mishap.
 

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I don't think it is as implausible as it first seems. Remember that in many cases, the Japanese soldiers survived with few supplies from a centralised source.

Now, if the US fleet is significantly neutralised, and Japan uses every available vessel for troop transports I do believe that they could land on the mainland united states. They would undoubtedly achieve very little other than establishing a micro pocket, and it would probably take several months before Britain, Canada and the USA are able to muster sufficient forces to defeat them, but I do not doubt it could be achieved.

The allies did this all the time, the only difference was that the allies had the logistical support infrastructure to maintain those troops once landed. For example, Madagascar is about as far away from anywhere suitable that you can get.
 

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Well, if Japan had started out by producing cheap radios and other consumer goods for sale in the US, built up its economy with the proceeds to expand into other products like automobiles, and eventually PURCHASED a strong foothold on US soil, MAYBE they could attempt it by sometime in the mid-21st Century.
 

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I think it could have worked if they'd just found a way to limit the logistical costs involved. One way to significantly reduce the cost in both manpower and supplies would be to have the invasion performed by a small number of teens or young adults armed with large mechanized suits. These could then be equipped with various kinds of missile and lazer based weaponry to battle the American planes and tanks. In particularly tough situations that require a lot of coordination between soldiers I could even see the pilots combining all their mechs into one, larger robot.
 

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I don't think it is as implausible as it first seems. Remember that in many cases, the Japanese soldiers survived with few supplies from a centralised source.

Now, if the US fleet is significantly neutralised, and Japan uses every available vessel for troop transports I do believe that they could land on the mainland united states. They would undoubtedly achieve very little other than establishing a micro pocket, and it would probably take several months before Britain, Canada and the USA are able to muster sufficient forces to defeat them, but I do not doubt it could be achieved.

The allies did this all the time, the only difference was that the allies had the logistical support infrastructure to maintain those troops once landed. For example, Madagascar is about as far away from anywhere suitable that you can get.

Because Imperial Japan had no other useful use for its transports and tankers than to transport troops on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, and have them return empty-handed. Raw material and oil, be damned, let's invade San Francisco! In fact, one of the main arguments against attacking Midway, which is half the distance in the middle of the Pacific, was that such an island was hard to supply, would take precisious cargo fleets away from key supply lines, would be left nigh-on defenceless to US bombers from Hawaii even after they've taken Midway and left, and would consume fuel twice because the cargo would return with their keels empty.

Also, never, in a million years, the Imperial Army would have agreed to an invasion of such a scale. They barely agreed to liberate the equivalent of five divisions to the Navy for their whole six months campaign after Pearl Harbor, and they bitterly fought agaisnt the Navy to refuse any military operation that would have taking divisions away from the Kwantung Army in China.
 

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This came from an argument with a friend who was arguing that Japanese internment, while wrong, was understandable as Japan could have invaded and occupied 1/3 of the US. I pointed out my view that this would not only have been implausible but impossible, which led to the argument.
 

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nope.
 

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No chance, maybe Alaska but that would hardly force a US surrender.
 

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I think it could have worked if they'd just found a way to limit the logistical costs involved. One way to significantly reduce the cost in both manpower and supplies would be to have the invasion performed by a small number of teens or young adults armed with large mechanized suits. These could then be equipped with various kinds of missile and lazer based weaponry to battle the American planes and tanks. In particularly tough situations that require a lot of coordination between soldiers I could even see the pilots combining all their mechs into one, larger robot.
this.
 

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Because Imperial Japan had no other useful use for its transports and tankers than to transport troops on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, and have them return empty-handed. Raw material and oil, be damned, let's invade San Francisco! In fact, one of the main arguments against attacking Midway, which is half the distance in the middle of the Pacific, was that such an island was hard to supply, would take precisious cargo fleets away from key supply lines, would be left nigh-on defenceless to US bombers from Hawaii even after they've taken Midway and left, and would consume fuel twice because the cargo would return with their keels empty.

Also, never, in a million years, the Imperial Army would have agreed to an invasion of such a scale. They barely agreed to liberate the equivalent of five divisions to the Navy for their whole six months campaign after Pearl Harbor, and they bitterly fought agaisnt the Navy to refuse any military operation that would have taking divisions away from the Kwantung Army in China.
Oh I completely agree. It is an impracticable and absurd proposal and would have led the the destructive of the IJA as an effective fighting force. But I do not doubt that it 'could' have been done somehow.
 

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An actual landing on the US West Coast would have been about as effective at forcing a US surrender as Japan's balloon bomb attacks, which set several small forest fires and caused several thousands of dollars in property damage. They merited a few news reports and some local panic; beyond that they were a forgotten footnote, much like Japan's brief and rather pointless invasion of a few deserted piles of wind-swept rock near the end of the Aleutian Island chain (yes, technically Japan DID land troops on US soil).
 

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Meh, 2000 Japs could land in California and no one will have a gun to oppose them. :p

They could land in California and nobody might even notice them being "out of the ordinary" for a week, as long as they don't actually shoot someone. I recall one news report where a guy in California walked into a house wearing a ninja outfit, killed the resident, and then walked away in broad daylight, and several people in the neighborhood who were outside at the time didn't even think it was "unusual" when questioned, until they found out about the murder.

A couple thousand Japanese troops? So? Live and let live.