Can you stay loyal to kyros? [spoiler]

[Madscientist3]

I finished the game with the disfavoured. Graven Ashe and Tunon joined me in the end, all regions are under control of the disfavoured and all rebels and beastman have surrendered or died.
When I looked at the ending slides, it feels almost like a good ending (except killing cairn has poisened the area and the burning library is still burning because I never went there.)
But in the end you become an overlord and put an edict on the capital of kyros empire.

I started the game as an agent of kyros and (lets say for roleplaying reasons) I want that the whole world is united under kyros peace.
Is it possible that I follow Tunon at the end and kill the other archons so that all the tiers are under control of one archon (me) who serves kyros while Tunon stays the judge for the entire empire.

 

[hangry]

Afaik no .. I broke the alliance, but tried to stay loyal to kyros in every dialog, but in the end it made no difference

 

[Pippin123]

Yes you can , but Kyros doesn't stay loyal to you ;-)

 

[Luckmann]

Afaik no .. I broke the alliance, but tried to stay loyal to kyros in every dialog, but in the end it made no difference

Seems to be a going theme.

 

[Wissenschaft]

I think the devs underestimated how many people would want a loyal to Kyrios ending. They should added it in a patch. You submit to Kyros in act 3 and he has you executed. The end.

 

[Luckmann]

I think the devs underestimated how many people would want a loyal to Kyrios ending. They should added it in a patch. You submit to Kyros in act 3 and he has you executed. The end.

I would be fine with this.

 

[Impotent_Nerdrage]

Afaik no .. I broke the alliance, but tried to stay loyal to kyros in every dialog, but in the end it made no difference

You are too powerful to be a good little flunky.

 

[MateuszS]

Well, Graven Ashe probably was even more powerful before his subjugation and he still commands.

 

[Wissenschaft]

Well, Graven Ashe probably was even more powerful before his subjugation and he still commands.

Actually he wasn't. He was just a nobody militaman whos legend grow with each battle he won. And as his legend grew his Archon powers started to manifest and grew exponentially stronger.

 

[MateuszS]

From wiki:

Before serving Kyros, Graven Ashe fought against the Overlord in defense of his homeland. It was during this desperate defense that Ashe’s powers as an exarch began to manifest. His soldiers would rise from the battlefield, healed of all but the most lethal wounds.

So even with his growing power Ashe was spared. Apart of paranoia, there's no reason for Kyros to execute her loyal Archon.

 

[Wissenschaft]

From wiki:

So even with his growing power Ashe was spared. Apart of paranoia, there's no reason for Kyros to execute her loyal Archon.

It is mentioned, I'm not sure by whom, might be Mark or in one of the missives, that Kyros spares and executes Archons in a seemingly random fashion. Possibly to make sure all Archons can never be sure if Kyrios will keep them alive or execute them. Sparing Ashe was one of those seemingly random actions. Though considering Kyrios sent Ashe to the Tiers with his long term rival Nerat, its possible Kyrios just "delayed" Ashe's execution while Ashe was still a useful tool.

 

[Shinros]

It is mentioned, I'm not sure by whom, might be Mark or in one of the missives, that Kyros spares and executes Archons in a seemingly random fashion. Possibly to make sure all Archons can never be sure if Kyrios will keep them alive or execute them. Sparing Ashe was one of those seemingly random actions. Though considering Kyrios sent Ashe to the Tiers with his long term rival Nerat, its possible Kyrios just "delayed" Ashe's execution while Ashe was still a useful tool.

Yup, I think kyros just kept ashe around used him to help conquer the known continant and sent him to the tiers as you said since mark tells you this in anarchy/solo hell he reveals this early act 2 depending on which question chain you go. Also you cannot ask him ALL of the questions in one playthrough since he reveals quite a lot of the small details of what is going on with the characters and tiers.

Spoiler

PC: Why do you think the overlord is allowing the Archons to fight?

Belden Mark: Huh... I was expecting a dumber question. Kyros can sure appear fickle. Cairn was treacherous and vocal about it and gets an edict dropped on his head. The voices and Ashe openly bicker and kyros just watches.... If you don't know the overlord, it can all seem random and erratic.

Belden Mark: But I assure you, kyros is nothing if not deliberate. I would guess kyros has tired of the Archon of war and secrets - there is no need for both and so, why not let their natural lack of rapport solve itself by allowing the stronger to slay the weaker?

Small note: I believe mark is still an agent of kyros

 

[Aotrs Commander]

I found it mildly annoying that I could not. As Rich Burlew (author of the Order of the Stick webcomic) observed, Evil people can have friends (and loyal minions) too. CAPABLE Evil - the sort that can win and subjugate the land for 400 years (or Grand Admiral Thrawn), ought to be in the position where they are perfectly able to handle a highly capable but genuinely loyal servant, especially if they cleaned up all the mess their oher flunkies had made.

(Y'know, like Tunon was until the slightly off third act. Or, come to that, the relationship between the aforementioned Thrawn and Palpatine.)

Yes, you can argue that Kyros's character might not allow that as a possibility, and I would counter by saying in which case, that character probably shouldn't have been written like, then or that least written so as not to completely preclude the possiblity, given that option SHOULD be explorable in a game like this.

It feels a little bit like at the last minute the whole anti-establishment-y sentiment thing broke through when, for once, it should have been okay for The Man (or Woman, as depending) to win.

Don't get me wrong, becoming the Woman was certainly a nice way to end and definitely shouild be an option, but I felt it unfortunate and a bit sad that was the closest I could get.

(Having an option to NOT slap Kyro's capital with a storm and instead send a letter to the effect of "sorry chief, got a bit messy there, but the tiers are all nicely tied up for you now, ma'am; what d'you need to do next?")

 

[Thandros]

I wonder if by doing everything you are doing you are being loyal to kyros. Kyros is probably smart enough to know more or less what is going to happen with the Edict of execution from the beginning. Either everyone dies ridding Kyros of two trouble some Archons or you end it and activate the Spire. I don't think that was unplanned. The rivalry between Graven Ashe and the Voices of Nerat at that point was already at the point of open warfare. The edict just forced the issue. You activating the spire was as planned and the entire scenario going as planned. The only one of the 4 scenarios Kyros didn't plan for was you going and doing your own thing in the Anarchist route. That's why Bleden Mark gets involved to get you on a track something like what Kyros planned from the start. Kyros probably has the entire game going exactly as they planned and by following that plan you are being loyal to Kyros. It should be noted that even if you kill Tunon he still tells you that Kyros is about to invade with a massive army why because the plan is for you to launch an Edict against the Northern Empire giving an excuse for the attack to be called off. What exactly Kyros is planning with all this. Well who knows. Either way going through the game is probably actually being loyal to Kyros. The edict shouldn't stop kyros' army by itself you would think but it withdraws anyway. Kyros is probably going that this is exactly according to plan.

Of course I might be completely wrong.

 

[Ecno The Neato]

I'm pretty sure the way to remain loyal to Kyros is to let Marky-Mark kill you in the end...

But yeah, an alternate ending (that probably wouldn't coincide with a sequel/DLC) could have been saying "Hey Kyros. The Tiers is yours. I'll just sit here and help you rule it for a while, k?"

Though, as far as we know, Kyros WANTS you to rebel. It will give the parts of his kingdom that are more military (Ashe's legion, Pox, probably others) something to do. So perhaps by rebelling, you're still being loyal to Kyros ;-)

 

[MateuszS]

The only logical reason for Kyros to encourage you to rebel could be to tighten his overlordship in Terratus ("we have been betrayed and we shall fight in holy, deadly (but proxy) war against menace of devious archon). Fatebinder couldn't do much harm anyway, but will surely collect anti-Kyros opposition in his domain and that opposition would cause problems in Tiers but not in Kyros Empire.

 

[The Ascendent]

Kyros needs an enemy to fight or the Archons will get uppity and be left with no one left to conquer. You a Fatebinder who can issue Edicts, survive and claim Spires are too great an unknown variable to be tolerated. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or alternatively at the correct place at the right time.

 

[tacodiscussions]

Y'all need some cynicism. How are they gonna make DLC if we can end the game as loyal to Kyros, leaving the Tiers, the last piece of unconquered territory on the whole continent (planet?) under their heel, OR we can end it in opposition to them.

So we have here an expansion. If you ended Tyranny as an enemy of Kyros, you get to battle their forces through more and more of Terratus, whether to liberate those lands or claim them for yourself! Or, if you ended Tyranny as Kyros' loyal subject, you can enjoy our new Debauchery UI™ while occasionally crushing an insurrection by deciding which overwhelming army you'll send at it (never fails, just lets you know there's a world outside while you enjoy your harems and vineyards).

We had to become Kyros' enemy in order for the plot to not branch too wildly.

 

[Madscientist3]

I have finished the game again and these are my thoughts about it:

At the end of the game, the entire region has been conquered (by me) and Kyros rules over the entire world (assuming I work for Kyros).
That means there is no need for a huge army or archons who hate each other more than any ( now non existent) enemies.
If I was Kyros and I want the tiers to be ruled by one loyal archon, I would chose Tunon and kill all others.
The war is over, so you need an administrator to bring order to the region, not a warlord with an army that has not much to do.

"And when Alexander Kyros saw the breadth of his domain, he (she, it, they, whatever) wept for there were no more worlds to conquer."