Can you show Asia in the next DDs?

[Black Turtle]

This is why map expansion are awsome, in Ck2 I always love map expansion (I have a good computer so that helps to be honest), not necessarly because it is brings exiting mechanics (although that helps if you wanna play as the new factions) but also so that the map feels more dynamics, and open,

Paradox games don't actually need "powerful" CPUs to run, just medium ones. Strategy gamers are just too used to running Paradox games on what would be considered wooden toasters in any other genre.

 

[Nyrael]

One of the lowest score on the Steam Store speaks for itself. Don't you remember as well riot after release of RoI about bad performance, worse AI, etc? C'man, you can like what you want but this are the facts - RoI was not successfull expansion. Nor was it wise to include India in CK2 before ensuring that it won't affect normal gameplay performance-wise.

There's still someone who cares about Steam Scores? I thought by now everyone knew that those are as useful as a lamp on the sun.

 

[Hyzhenhok]

China deserves it's own title, but it has no reason to be included in I:R. It would be the worst that could happen. Rajas of India was the biggest mistake ever made by PDX (not counting marketing flaws), so I hope devs will not repeat it.

No, actually incorporating China into what we know so far about I:R makes plenty of sense.

• There's not really a similar concern about performance. The way CK2 worked, each additional county added dozens of characters to the game, which is why RoI was so much more taxing on release. (But later optimizations have made current CK2 run faster than pre-RoI CK2 did). I:R will have many times fewer characters and probably have to run a lot fewer character checks because the game will not be as character-heavy as CK2.
• There's no similar problem with China being too alien to represent with a feudal political system. A generalized political system that can represent Celtic tribes, Carthage, Rome, Epirus, the Diadochi and Maurya will be adaptable enough to represent Warring States China.
• Unlike the terrible prospect of inserting the peak Tang or Song Dynasties into CK2, the geopolitical situation in 304 BCE fits perfectly well into the theme of the game. China starts out divided between 7 major states, and while Qin is ascendant its total victory is not yet inevitable (quite analogous to Rome vs the rest of Italy at the same time, really). And if China gets unified, it will be beset by the same kind of inner power struggles and civil wars that will need to be modeled for Rome and the Diadochi.

I think the inclusion of not only India but also the Tarim Basin and Tibet in the base game make it pretty clear a China expansion is in the cards (and CK2-style China/Silk Road events are likely to be in the base game). And that's exciting to me, because I love Warring States China and I never thought there was a chance of actually seeing it represented in a commercial game.

 

[wielkiciensteam]

No, actually incorporating China into what we know so far about I:R makes plenty of sense.

• There's not really a similar concern about performance. The way CK2 worked, each additional county added dozens of characters to the game, which is why RoI was so much more taxing on release. (But later optimizations have made current CK2 run faster than pre-RoI CK2 did). I:R will have many times fewer characters and probably have to run a lot fewer character checks because the game will not be as character-heavy as CK2.
• There's no similar problem with China being too alien to represent with a feudal political system. A generalized political system that can represent Celtic tribes, Carthage, Rome, Epirus, the Diadochi and Maurya will be adaptable enough to represent Warring States China.
• Unlike the terrible prospect of inserting the peak Tang or Song Dynasties into CK2, the geopolitical situation in 304 BCE fits perfectly well into the theme of the game. China starts out divided between 7 major states, and while Qin is ascendant its total victory is not yet inevitable (quite analogous to Rome vs the rest of Italy at the same time, really). And if China gets unified, it will be beset by the same kind of inner power struggles and civil wars that will need to be modeled for Rome and the Diadochi.

I think the inclusion of not only India but also the Tarim Basin and Tibet in the base game make it pretty clear a China expansion is in the cards (and CK2-style China/Silk Road events are likely to be in the base game). And that's exciting to me, because I love Warring States China and I never thought there was a chance of actually seeing it represented in a commercial game.

Why not add North and South American tribes next then?

 

[Thure]

Why not add North and South American tribes next then?

Because there was NO CONNECTIOn at all between America and Europa. Between Asia and Europe there was a lot of connection, even if mostly indirectly.

There is no magic barrier between Europe and East Asia. But the Atlantic Ocean was a big barrier which wasn't really well connected until around 1500. Before around 1500 America was completelly unimportant for what happened in the Old World. But the Old World allways had contacts and it mattered what happened in other parts of the Old World.

 

[Hyzhenhok]

Why not add North and South American tribes next then?

They aren't comparable. China and the rest of Asia had real contacts during this period. The Xiongnu attacked China from Central Asia, and then Han Dynasty took control of the Tarim Basin (the area including Khotan that we already know is present on the I:R map) in the 2nd century BCE. They had significant knowledge about and contacts with Central Asia, including Bactria. Buddhism also spreads from India to China during this period. It's not as strong a connection as the Maurya vs. Seleucids/Bactrians/Indo-Greeks thing, but that's why India is included in the base game.

While China having the potential to conquer significant chunks of Central Asia or India (or outside empires conquering China) might be fantasy, it's not a more egregious fantasy than much of what else will be possible. This is a Paradox game, after all.

(Note, I don't think this would be one of the first DLCs. And I would bet on a map expansion of Sub-Saharan Africa happening before China gets added, since that will be more relevant to the Mediterranean countries.)

 

[icedt729]

Why not add North and South American tribes next then?

Look at a map. Now, notice how big the Atlantic Ocean is. There's your answer.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

Look at a map. Now, notice how big the Atlantic Ocean is. There's your answer.

Personally I can't wait to explore the New World with Hanno the Navigator's reincarnarion.

 

[Rioting Soul]

Warring States China sounds like a good DLC expansion.

 

[Thure]

Johan heard your wish! Here's a map from South India, so at least somewhat more pictures of Asia.

https://twitter.com/producerjohan/status/1018378785895350272

 

[Black Turtle]