Can you make the Pope your Vassal?

[TheBloke]

OK so Riga is a Theocracy?

Then two possibilities from when I tested the HRE formation and confirmed it stopped the itinerant Pope:

1. Riga no longer existed by that point in my game, or had changed government. Unlikely?
2. Riga were an OPM, or had 5 or more provinces. Very likely?

Actually, it was hidden option 3!

Riga are Reformed in my game

Here's the event trigger for the event that fires when PAP no longer exists:

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# The Papal State
country_event = {
    id = 1082
    title = "EVTNAME1082"
    desc = "EVTDESC1082"
    picture = POPE_PREACHING_eventPicture
    
    trigger = {
        NOT = { exists = PAP }
        NOT = { exists = ITA }
        religion = catholic
        government = theocratic_government
        is_at_war = no
        NOT = { tag = TEU }
        NOT = { tag = LIV }
        num_of_cities = 2
        NOT = { num_of_cities = 5 }
        any_owned_province = {
            is_capital = no
            religion = catholic
            continent = europe
        }
        118 = {
            owner = {
                OR = {
                    NOT = { religion = catholic }
                    has_country_flag = no_support
                }
            }
        }
    }

Specifics:

• The Papal State and Italy do not exist;
• Theocratic government; Catholic religion;
  • Except Teutonic Order and Litvonian Order;
• Not at war
• 2, 3 or 4 provinces.
• Must have a province that is in Europe, that's not its capital, and is Catholic
• Roma must be held by a non-Catholic, or by a state that previously refused to release it to PAP ( 'no_support' flag)

But then take a look at what this does, the immediate effect:

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    immediate = {
        hidden_effect = {
            random_owned_province = {
                limit = {
                    is_capital = no
                    religion = catholic
                    continent = europe
                    any_neighbor_province = {
                        NOT = { owned_by = ROOT }
                    }
                }
                set_province_flag = papal_province
...
    option = {
        name = "EVTOPTA1082"
        ai_chance = { factor = 100 }
        random_owned_province = {
            limit = {
                has_province_flag = papal_province
            }
            remove_core = ROOT
            add_core = PAP
            cede_province = PAP
            clr_province_flag = papal_province
        }
        add_papal_influence = 50
        add_prestige = 25

Specifically, any_neighbor_province = { NOT = { owned_by = ROOT } }

Doesn't this mean that this will only apply for an isolated province? It will cede to PAP only a province that belongs to the nation, which is Catholic and not its capital, AND which does not border any other province owned by that nation?

If correct, that significantly further restricts what provinces can cede. The strange thing is, that requirement is not in the trigger. This implies it can fire for any Theocracy and give them 25 prestige, without actually ceding a province from them? Because they meet the trigger but then the effect doesn't apply, and so the Option won't do anything.

EDIT: I just tested further, and it doesn't mean that. E.g., The Papal State re-appeared in Koblenz, after Trier accepted and ceded that province to it. Trier was a 2PM, Koblenz being its second province, and clearly neighbouring its first province. So I have no idea what this is doing or what it's for: any_neighbor_province = { NOT = { owned_by = ROOT } }

 

[sinkingmist]

So I have no idea what this is doing or what it's for: any_neighbor_province = { NOT = { owned_by = ROOT } }

It means at least 1 neighbour province is not owned by ROOT, i.e. it's a border province.

 

[TheBloke]

It means at least 1 neighbour province is not owned by ROOT, i.e. it's a border province.

Ahh, thanks. Seems superfluous when it's already limited to nations with 2-4 provinces. But yeah OK, theoretically it wouldn't create PAP in such a way that it was a marooned island in the middle of another nation.

Thanks!

 

[Yeekim]

• This will enable you to always excommunicate any nation with whom you are at war, and possibly also when you've recently been at war.
• This is because Excommunication requires -50 relations with The Papal State.
• Because they have to join your wars, they instantly get the "At War" / "Recently at war" modifiers against anyone you DOW.

• 
  Not quite true - "At war"/"Recently at war " modifiers aren't always enough to bring relations below -50 threshold

 

[unmerged(804580)]

Just a quick question while we're discussing the Papal State, although this is kind of out of topic. Can the Papal State convert to a heathen religion with the rebels - for example, to Sunni? I know that Japan is somehow prevented from flipping religion altogether (or is it now fixed and can Japan turn Catholic or something else?) and I'm wondering if PAP is also prevented from doing so as well.