Can we talk about the awkward single-culture groups?

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Hungarian + West Slavic should be merged and renamed Central European.
Byzantine +South Slavic should be merged and renamed simply Byzantine.
Thats my personal opinion atleast.
 
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I would agree with the Central European culture group, but I don't see how Bosnian, Serbian or Romanian culture would be similar to the almost-Greek Byzantine culture...
 
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well they were pretty byzantine influenced weren't they? im not a cultural expert mind you
 

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I would agree with the Central European culture group, but I don't see how Bosnian, Serbian or Romanian culture would be similar to the almost-Greek Byzantine culture...
Serbia,Bosnia,Bulgaria and Romania ... all got cultural influences till this day from the Byzantines. I remember that 1 of the devs sayd that they want to shift from culture grup = language similariti to culture grup = actual culture similariti
 

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Isn't the real problem the awkward cultural acceptance system? With a system less dependent on being in the same group or the secondary group having certain BT, isolated culture groups and small cultures would no longer be a problem.
 

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Yeah Manchu were most definetely not culturally Chinese but they're in the same group for gameplay purposes.


And about Tibet, do you guys play games where Bengal isnt conquering it? (then losing it, then reconquering it).


All the Balkans should be lumped together into a Byzantine-Balkan group that should also include Hungary. I'm very annoyed that Ottomans can accept Hungarian provinces better than say Wallachia, or Serbian provinces better than Byzantium and Hungary. Especially Byzantium, Greek is the culture with like the richest BT in the game, you never get to accept anything :(
Byzantine-Balkan group? Are you an idiot? South Slavics and Greeks extremely different, I, as a Bulgar even would get offended. Don't mind all Serbs and Greeks on this forum. If that happens even more people are going whine then Hungary-West Slavic thing. Just NO.

I see even more ignorant people popping up. "Greek-South Slavic group nuuhhhh" NO. JUST NO. Influence is not even culturally from the byzantines and that was 600 years ago. Turkish has more influence then greek on Bulgarian/south slavic languages.
 
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For some reason I was hoping this thread was going to be about multiple cultures in one province and I was disappointed

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It would be nice to have a culture and subculture system per province. Too bad it's an empty pipe-dream that is 'too complicated' for not enough gameplay benefit besides being cool for history buffs.
 
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But here is the thing: They are culture groups, not singular cultures. Just as Korean is not the same thing as Japanese, Castilian is not the same as Portuguese. Yet, the Iberians are grouped together. Cultural groups are a gameplay crutch, relying on basic geographic proximity, rather than a commentary on cultural homogeneity.

Please tell that to Oghuz.
 

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Byzantine-Balkan group? Are you an idiot? South Slavics and Greeks extremely different, I, as a Bulgar even would get offended. Don't mind all Serbs and Greeks on this forum. If that happens even more people are going whine then Hungary-West Slavic thing. Just NO.

I see even more ignorant people popping up. "Greek-South Slavic group nuuhhhh" NO. JUST NO. Influence is not even culturally from the byzantines and that was 600 years ago. Turkish has more influence then greek on Bulgarian/south slavic languages.
Take it easy and relax... and no name calling... its a constructive discution, i think Bulgarians actually ar the most similar to greeks in the entire Balkans.
And heres why:
1. Arhitecture similarity/ Byz copys in short
2. Orthodox Cristianity from the Byzantines
3. Form of goverment and medieval institutions from the Byzantines
4. Bulgaria has been evectivly under Byzantine rule for hundreds of years
5. Chirlic alphabet invented by the greeks , very similar to greek alphabet
6. Bulgarian medieval costums...
And the list can go on.... but if you gone start with XX century bulgarian nationalism.... be my guest.
PS: Byzantines ar not equal to modern greeks.... Emperor Justinian was ilirian as an example... very cosmpolite empire composed by many balcanic nations
 
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We could use the Corsican, Maltese, Valencian, and Mallorquin cultures too.

Maltese is already a culture. Valencian and Mallorquin are close enough to Catalan culturally that it's fine grouping them together. Corsican is debatable, but I'm fine with it remaining Sardinian.
 
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One of the things I hope to see in a future expansion would be a way to incorporate multiple cultures/religions per provinces. Not something one Vicky's level of complexity, but something more then the monolithic, homogenous system we have now. Even TW is a bit ahead of EU in that sense.
 
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The real issue is the acceptance trough BT. There should be some kind of laws. A number of cultures are tolerated or accepted, with humanism I get a few more. And like mentioned before, more cultures in one province would be awesome.

And the whole sh*t about riots in a region because of two people don't get along with each other is more about the people there and their thinking and doing, nothing the government can control that easily with laws. We have that in the present too.

Maybe as player we shouldn't have that much controll about these things. Maybe there should not be a quick solutiom to these things. And quit this one click assimilaion thing. Make a general policy or something of assimilation to do that or if you don't want to tolerate them.
 
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Also, I feel that Arabic as a Culture Group should be revised; Egyptian, Syrian and Mashriqi should be reallocated to a Levantine Culture Group, while Bedouin should be cut up into Bedouin, Hedjazi, Omani and Yemeni and constitute the Arabic group.

What about renaming Syrian to Levantine Arabic (Syria), Mashriq to Mesopotamian Arabic (Iraq), and as you mention divide up Bedouin into Bedouin (Najd/Shammar), Hejazi (Hejaz), Gulf Arabic (Sharjah/Haasa), Omani (Oman), and Yemeni (Yemen). This way all of these tags would have their own primary culture and allow them to appear in the right area.
 

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Hungarian I know nothing about. However, Miao are not the same as Chinese. Hmong people don't, and never did, consider themselves culturally the same. Nationality, yes, because they are in the region of China, but the Vietnamese never considered themselves Chinese either. They are not Chinese, simply put.

Japanese and Korean should most definitely not be merged. Japanese are completely distinct from the rest of Asia. Sure, the Japanese spent heaps of time copying the Chinese, but they weren't culturally chinese.

Koreans were at the start of EU4 still chinese. Modern times? No. They are distinct. However, any Korean historian knows that the start of Korean culture was with Sejong. Sejong exists at the start of the game, however the Korean identity only existed at the EARLIEST at the time of the creation of Hangul. At the EARLIEST, even then you can argue it wasn't distinct for another 300 years. Nothing was different between Koreans and Chinese at that point. The north and south chinese were most distinct than Koreans were from the North Chinese. It makes no sense they aren't placed under the Chinese culture group. They used to be, then Paradox changed/nerfed them for some unknown reason.
 
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tobias.mb

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The Yuan Dynasty (Mongolians) which ruled China from 1279 to 1368 actually included Korea as well. Under their rule north-chinese, korean and jurchen (manchu) people were put in one group and south-chinese in another. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan-Dynastie
This probably doesn't mean they actually had a similar culture; but probably more similar than north- and south-chinese.
Anyways; manchu culture is probably as different (if not more) from chinese as korean. And if manchu is in the chinese group, then so should korean.
 

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I don't really see the point of those, they occupy such a small area as a majority that the AI will quickly oust Malteser, transfer Casu marzu, dismiss Paella and expel Ensaïmada. Besides as the Dev's have said they're moving away from Culture = Language.


All those are their own cultures even today. Different traditions, cuisines, and histories.
 

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I'm liking the Indo-European culture group idea, conquer everything from Ireland to Burma lol.
 
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