Can we please get the command console unlocked?

[skullblits]

Normally if I wanna learn a game. I use a forum to ask questions or watch a let's play.

I fail to see how the console commands can help someone learn the game.

Unless u cheat your way threw the research and look at it.. Yea no.. It doesn't help u learn the game at all.

Cheating on a game will. Make it boring it will. Remove a large part of the challenge and learning curve.

Also I don't see how cheating will. Make it fun. It be like. I'm god now. Be gone other empires. But depends on how much you cheat.

 

[skullblits]

But I will say...

If they added it so you have to download it to enable it. Then I would be happy about it. It will help remove the temptation

 

[Raylof]

If you don't understand how the command console can benefit the game more than just "oh we can cheat now" then I don't know what to tell you, I must have explained several times not only why it would be a useful tool to learn the game, but how it would provide as a useful tool, and frankly I am not going to explain it again just for you to disregard like 75% of the contents I posted. There are probably several other reasons why and how it can be used to learn the game, it's mechanics, and allow further experimentation of the game and it's mechanics, I am pretty sure this is the main reason the concept of a command console exists in the first place.

I don't understand how being able to use "cheats" would make the game boring, if anything it would do the exact opposite. Sure this game already has a lot to do, and multiple different ways you can play it. But eventually that is going to get exhausted, and it's going to become repetitive, true to any game. The command console keeps that interesting and fresh, creating further replayable moments and increasingly memoriable moments beyond that of which is already offered. Again, something else I've explained several times already, and if you actually read my posts there would be no reason for you to even be saying that.

I also don't understand the last thing you said. I never said the console playerbase would miss anything in a sentimental sense. Just that players on the PlayStation compared to Xbox will miss the chance for mod access due to sony's stance, and that unlocking the command console would be easier to make accessible than mod access and that they should focus on unlocking the command console before allowing mods to be accessible. I also said that players would be even more drawn to stellaris knowing there is a command console for it and that it is a console game. Particually players on PlayStation who want mod access, but will never get it, players who otherwise would have never bothered to even look at stellaris on the market place. Just because someone plays only on the console does not mean they don't know what a command console is, they are just conditioned to never having access to one. So I am certain that stellaris unlocking the console would draw those players into playing the game, for the sheer fact that it will be the closest to mod access they will ever get, effectively making it an easier and safer to implement alternative to using mods. Let alone the fact it would help pc gamers cross over. Not to make this about mods, since frankly I don't care about them.

None the less, cheating in games makes games more interesting not boring, and no not everyone will use it. There are at least 6 people on this forum who explicitly said they'll never use it, but also see no issue with it being made accessible. When are you going to stop pushing your feeble ideology on me, and stopn trying to make me and everyone else play the game how YOU see fit? Because the command console being unlocked doesn't effect you, or the rest of you freedom haters.

Your personal opinion is wrong, and it's moot at best. I can't believe I keep wasting my time dignifying you with a response, but that's the end of it. I'll no longer be regarding anything you say with any value from this point on, because everything you have said to me about the subject from the beginning has been asinine and I won't put up with it anymore, so good day to you.

One thing I believe that people forget is that on PC, Ironman Mode disables console commands. Ironman Mode is already on the Console and it is the only way you can achieve achievements. If people don't like cheating or don't want to be tempted by it, they can literally just turn on Ironman Mode.

 

[Neclord]

How does cheating help someone understand the games more?

The game would turn into..

Ughh he has a fleet with more battle ships.

Console commands.. Incert 55 battle ships.

Yaay I won.. Let's go play a different game.


I'll say this. From my personal opinion.

If u add the ability to cheat. Yea u don't have yo use it. But likely you may use it. Especially if you're getting destroyed.

Also this game is on a console where things are different. People lose interest more. I'd say.

If you add the ability to cheat then people would just use it all the time and. End up getting bored.

Now I myself wouldn't try to use it.. But I know I would end up using to gain a advantage.
And from my history of other games that had cheats. It gets boring. But the. Temptation is always there. So I end up getting very bored of it.


Also unless you come from Pc or watch some pc let's play use them. How is most of the console player base going to miss something. Soo badly generally they never get to use.

So you have a destructive lack of self control and because of this the game devs should prohibit others on console from enjoying their single player experience the way they want? You argue that most will then just cheat and lose interest like yourself but that's not true, most people who don't like cheating usually just don't cheat. I on the other hand cheat regularly at these types of games and rarely lose interest. Just because you lack self control to play the game the way you want doesn't mean the rest of us should be shafted for it.

If you can't resist cheating and it bothers you so badly go play Ironman like @Raylof said.

 

[skullblits]

So you have a destructive lack of self control and because of this the game devs should prohibit others on console from enjoying their single player experience the way they want? You argue that most will then just cheat and lose interest like yourself but that's not true, most people who don't like cheating usually just don't cheat. I on the other hand cheat regularly at these types of games and rarely lose interest. Just because you lack self control to play the game the way you want doesn't mean the rest of us should be shafted for it.

If you can't resist cheating and it bothers you so badly go play Ironman like @Raylof said.

If you want console commands soo much go play pc?

 

[Neclord]

If you want console commands soo much go play pc?

I should give up playing the game I purchased to play on the PS4 from the comfort of my living room couch to go spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade my PC so i can play Stellaris on it to accomdate your lack of self control?

No thanks, I rather just continue to push the devs to provide console owners the same features they're providing their PC player base.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

So you have a destructive lack of self control and because of this the game devs should prohibit others on console from enjoying their single player experience the way they want? You argue that most will then just cheat and lose interest like yourself but that's not true, most people who don't like cheating usually just don't cheat. I on the other hand cheat regularly at these types of games and rarely lose interest. Just because you lack self control to play the game the way you want doesn't mean the rest of us should be shafted for it.

If you can't resist cheating and it bothers you so badly go play Ironman like @Raylof said.

Exactly, he claims just because he lacks the inhibition to not use it then automatically everyone else must lack that same inhibition. So just because they can't control their impulses, everyone else should be subjected to unfairly being denied access to a feature that not only exists fine on PC, without making the game "boring" but on plentiful console games as well, popular games at that which don't get boring.

Let's not forget, cities skylines has an actual cheat menu, which does nothing to actually benefit the game other than allowing people to cheat, unlike the command console, and that game is so popular that it's considered the spiritual successor of sim city when sim city was a fun game. But is sim city unfun now because they have cheats? No, it's because EA screws it's player out of reasonable features and quality games. But is cities skyline boring? Nope because it has everything players desire in a simulation game including cheats, despite the fact the cheats exist in that game solely for cheating.

This is exactly why I compared his opinions on the matter to the way communists think. "Oh a few people like myself think it's wrong to do such and such because we lack self control, so no one should be able to do such and such because they probably lack self control too" when really that is their own personal problem, and the fact that he thinks people should be forced to do things a certain way based on his own experience is absolute and utter asinine.

Honestly, I can see why pc gamers look down on console gamers now after this. Because the typical console gamer like himself is so conditioned to being denied reasonable features that the idea of people wanting them is so crazy in their eyes, the same can be said about most console gamers sadly.

One think I believe that people forget is that on PC, Ironman Mode disables console commands. Ironman Mode is already on the Console and it is the only way you can achieve achievements. If people don't like cheating or don't want to be tempted by it, they can literally just turn on Ironman Mode.

Or they can just you know, control their impulses and not use it even in normal mode. Instead of expecting people to conform to how they prefer to play, which is ridiculous to even expect of people, like who the fuck are they that they think everyone should play the game based on how they play games, I swear people these days HATE individuality more than anything else.

 

[skullblits]

City skylines is a creation game.

Stellairs is a survival game.

So if you add the ability to cheat. People will soon lose interest.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Apparently stellaris is a survival game now guys, not a 4X grand strategy sandbox like we all thought. Nope, it's in the same category as games like Day Z it seems

 

[skullblits]

City skylines is a creation game.

Stellairs is a survival game.

So if you add the ability to cheat. People will soon lose interest.

Apparently stellaris is a survival game now guys, not a 4X grand strategy sandbox like we all thought. Nope, it's in the same category as games like Day Z it seems

To be fair it is. You try and survive against multiple empires and a end game event.

As for your last comment.

It's pc gamers who see your entitled attitude that make them hate us.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

To be fair it is. You try and survive against multiple empires and a end game event.

As for your last comment.

It's pc gamers who see your entitled attitude that make them hate us.

Rather be self entitled then lack self control lol. I guess it's bad to feel entitled to something that we shouldn't be locked out of in the first place.

But you're one to talk about being self entitled, insinuating that we conform to playing the game in a play style to your standards! You are the most self entitled person here by far, I am trying to get a feature unlocked for everyone, I never even included a personal reason as to why I want it unlocked until you asked me what I would do with it in my thread, and even then I barely included a personal reason because my own personal reasons don't matter lol

 

[skullblits]

Was my personal opinion something your probably not aware with. Seeing how you judge me as a commie. So you didn't like. My opinion and decided to insult me.

BTW you are self entitled you don't speak for me. I don't care about it being unlocked.

So as it stands. Learn the game. Get a pc and get it on pc and ull have your whish.

So stop moaning enjoy the dang game.. And if it gets unlocked. Bravo.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Was my personal opinion something your probably not aware with. Seeing how you judge me as a commie. So you didn't like. My opinion and decided to insult me.

BTW you are self entitled you don't speak for me. I don't care about it being unlocked.

So as it stands. Learn the game. Get a pc and get it on pc and ull have your whish.

So stop moaning enjoy the dang game.. And if it gets unlocked. Bravo.

It's not because I brush you off as a commie that I don't like you, and that also isn't why I don't have any value for your opinions. It's because I think your opinions, your self entitled expectations, and your entire stance on the matter is asinine lol

 

[skullblits]

It's not because I brush you off as a commie that I don't like you, and that also isn't why I don't have any value for your opinions. It's because I think your opinions, your self entitled expectations, and your entire stance on the matter is asinine lol

Not my fault you bought it on the wrong platform.

Go and whine on the pc version of the forum. See how long you last.

I suggest a let's play to tell you learn the game as well. Or the wikki. Seeing how in your mind u need console commands to learn the game.

Have fun.

 

[Neclord]

Not my fault you bought it on the wrong platform.

Go and whine on the pc version of the forum. See how long you last.

I suggest a let's play to tell you learn the game as well. Or the wikki. Seeing how in your mind u need console commands to learn the game.

Have fun.

Why would he go post in the PC forums about not having access to console commands when they already have access to console commands? Are you trolling or something? You keep wanting to instruct others on what they should and shouldn't do like who do you think you are? Nobody asked you for guidance or direction so keep it to yourself. Nobody is moaning, I've said already I'm enjoying the game as have others who have requested console commands be unlocked, people are just voicing their desire for a feature present in the original game to be brought to the rest of us as well. You don't like it? Too bad people have the right to request it regardless.

 

[skullblits]

Again I'm. Giving my 2cents because it doesn't agree with your opinion you can't understand this.

And I have a right to my opinion.

 

[Neclord]

Again I'm. Giving my 2cents because it doesn't agree with your opinion you can't understand this.

And I have a right to my opinion.

Your against others enjoying the game the way they want because you lack self control and then you go on to say we're the self entitled ones? You who want to bar access to something people want because you might be tempted to use it? That's pure self entitlement. But whatever, sure you have the right to your opinion but then you seem to also want to tell others to stop voicing theirs. We also have the right to our opinions.

 

[AndrewT]

We have no problem with the topic of this discussion but the personal nature of many posts here is unacceptable.

If you can't post constructively, please step away from the forums.

First and last warning for this thread before it is closed and infractions handed out.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Go and whine on the pc version of the forum. See how long you last.

I would be willing to bet a hundred dollars, or a hundred worth of whatever currency it is that you use, that if I or anyone else was to make a post on the pc forums about how the devs should unlock the command console for the console edition, they would be more prone to agree with that notion than most of the people on these forums would. In fact, most of the people who agreed with me here already are people who actually do own the pc version as well. Because pc players understand that keeping a reasonable feature locked for no good reason is bad, where as console gamers are typically hard headed and self entitled, and just accept any old piece of trash that is thrown at them even if it's the same game over and over again. Honestly, if im assuming I am going to start running into more people like you, then switching over to the pc version would be worth for that reason alone, because the way you think is intolerable. But this here is something special, a truly unique game for consoles and all of its features (that are legally allowed) such as the command console should be accessible to everyone, and I am not giving up on it that easily. Now tell me, what is so self entitled about that? What am I personally gaining from this? I want people to be able to freely use a feature if they choose to, while you're forcing down everyone's throats that we shouldn't for whatever strange reason. Do you see the hypocrisy in the things you're saying at all?

Why do you think they're always up in arms about how even things like games being "dumbed down" for consoles is bad? Because typically that comes with missing features, and features that do literally no harm being withheld is bad.

I know this because basically all my friends are pc gamers, I'm the odd man out, so I hear about it constantly when they lecture me about the reasons why I should switch over to PC, exactly what I just explained is always among the first 2 or 3 reasons they give me. But I grew up with consoles and I'm a sucker for tradition, but it's time some of those traditions change. Like allowing access to the command console

To be fair it is. You try and survive against multiple empires and a end game event.

No, that's wrong. If you're just merely trying to survive no wonder you feel like you would get bored if you use cheat codes, imagine just sitting there adding more and more resources just to micromanage them so you can "just survive" talk about fuckin' snore-ville, what a waste of a epic and endless game, I would rather be a god any day. The entire point of the game is establishing your empire in your galaxies hegemony as the dominate galactic superpower, this game is literally a space bound geopolitical simulator. Literally none of the X's in 4X stands for survival, survival doesn't even start with an X lol and you say people like myself who desire a command console don't understand the game

We're done you and I, you no longer exist to me I won't let you further derail this thread into an abyss of nonsense. Be gone with you.

I am ready to have a real and reasonable discussion about this now with someone

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Just in case people are joining this thread late, if you don't wish to go through all the bickering for some concrete information. you can refer to my thread here;
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dear-devs.1159778/page-2

For more information about why the devs should unlock the command console, why unlocking it would benefit the game and therefore the community, and lastly a magnitude of ways it can be used for more than just "cheating", and if you happen to think of any new reasons why it should be unlocked, or new and actual logical reasons why it should remained locked I would love to read your views there in a more constructive environment, considering this thread is on the verge of being locked.