Can we please get the command console unlocked?

[FuzziSlippers]

Lol thanks @FuzziSlippers. I write desktop applications for a living so came at it a slightly different way... Could only wish to be talented enough to write a game, let alone a game like stellaris

Not a problem comrade.

You and I both though, especially since I wouldn't do something like withhold a perfectly harmless feature from an entire player base, a player base that clearly wants access to such a feature. Like I been saying, paradox / tantalus would be stupid not to, supply and demand is business 101.

(No offense or insult intended for the publishers)

But developing games is a pipe dream of mine as well, but I'm nearly 30 and don't have the time to commit to another career, and take the years out of my life to goto school for it when I'm already practically middle aged. I've had a ton of ideas for games exactly like this one, oh well, at least I can live through stellaris vicariously lol

 

[twenty]

I'm nearly 30....I'm already practically middle aged.

what?

do you live in Swaziland or something?

 

[FuzziSlippers]

I've said this in my "Dear Devs" thread regarding the command console, and for those who have not read my thread I'll quote here so everyone else can see it too. I apologize for the constant posts here and in my thread as well. I just think that this a very important issue, especially while we wait for the coming dlc's which are going to make an already amazing game epic af, anyway...

I would just like to add, although some people who are familiar with a command console say that it cant cause damage to a game.

In defense to all who claim that it's locked because it can break a game. While not apparently a known thing, like any cheat codes from those already preset in a game, to things like game shark, mods and even the command console. Using too many of them at once, or in succession can cause some unintended effects on the game that the player may be unhappy with, which I can imagine if overly abused can corrupt at the least save files, but as mentioned save files can be backed up, and like any game where you can "cheat" it's always wise to save the game before you use any, and turn them off before you save again.

Just figured it would be worth mentioning, that like anything else in the world it would be safer to use in moderation, and not to overly abuse it. I think everyone being aware of something that could /theoretically/ happen would make the devs increasingly more comfortable and willing to unlock it.

I appreciate everyone's patience

what?

do you live in Swaziland or something?

Lol wtf, no

I just happen to have a very demanding career, and can't afford this late in my life to completely start something new. Between schooling, internships, and having to start at the bottom again it is simply not worth the time and money, when I am nearly 30 already and have (not to boast) a high paying line of work.

But my personal life has nothing to do with any of this, and I shouldn't have said anything about it in the first place and for that I apologize

Edit: I didn't read your question right, so as far as having to start an entirely new career I might as well be middle aged because it's too late for that. Sorry about that

 

[Biv]

@FuzziSlippers

Okay Fuzzi, I'll take a step back. I haven't used a command console since Morrowind. My hate for PC gaming overcame my desire to play PC games at that point and I bailed.


So maybe they have streamlined it and added "safeties" since then


But, as I recall, you would open up the console, enter a string of code, and that would get you the desired result. That code could be a short series of numbers for something as simple as dropping an item, or something as long as a paragraph long to do...well, pretty much anything. Change frame rate, draw distance, nullify code, have whatever you want drop, turn off clipping, backdoor into dev rooms, rewrite sections of code...whatever. The only limitations were the back doors the devs installed for their own use or whatever someone was able to hack out of the code. People typing in untested or incorrect code could, literally, fry their computer in the process.


They had the standard codes (Drop Umbra. Complete quest. Add gold) but those were just the specifically listed one. People hacked into the game (and I use the term "hack" VERY loosely) and created new codes all the time.


Have they changed how they work that much?

 

[FuzziSlippers]

@FuzziSlippers

Okay Fuzzi, I'll take a step back. I haven't used a command console since Morrowind. My hate for PC gaming overcame my desire to play PC games at that point and I bailed.


So maybe they have streamlined it and added "safeties" since then


But, as I recall, you would open up the console, enter a string of code, and that would get you the desired result. That code could be a short series of numbers for something as simple as dropping an item, or something as long as a paragraph long to do...well, pretty much anything. Change frame rate, draw distance, nullify code, have whatever you want drop, turn off clipping, backdoor into dev rooms, rewrite sections of code...whatever. The only limitations were the back doors the devs installed for their own use or whatever someone was able to hack out of the code. People typing in untested or incorrect code could, literally, fry their computer in the process.


They had the standard codes (Drop Umbra. Complete quest. Add gold) but those were just the specifically listed one. People hacked into the game (and I use the term "hack" VERY loosely) and created new codes all the time.


Have they changed how they work that much?

First of all, I apologize for coming on so aggressively during our debate, was nothing personal at all.

Like I have said before, I never had the luxury of having one at my disposal so as far as the history goes behind them I suppose I am ignorant towards. I can imagine in the past, before gaming and everything became what it is today there were definitely unintended backdoors like there is in all software from operating systems to automobiles, that someone with the right type of knowledge can use part of the system, in this case a command console to some how hack into a game. But as software improves, new methods and types of coding is written, and new and improved engines are created developers are able to control what someone can or can't do with a command console for example. However, as technology advances different more efficient ways to "maliciously manipulate" or hack the software are created. So no matter what, people will be able to hack anything with a computer, as one back door closes another is opened basically.

So I am 100% certain without knowing the history of command consoles that this isn't something developers worry about anymore at least not major developers like paradox or tantaulus, if it was still an on going issue, and one that is a particular danger to console platforms then games on console platforms with an accessible command console wouldn't be able to exist due to that very same process you have mentioned. I am pretty sure this is one of the many reasons why Sony is so anal about unlicensed mods, compared to command consoles because there are more games with command console access on PlayStation than there are those with mod access. Those that do have mod access are absurdly limited compared to their Xbox counterparts something I don't exactly agree with either, but as much as mods seem fun I dont care for them so long as if I wanted to use them I have some cheats instead, especially in a game like this one. Which is infinitely easier to do than allowing mod access, and unlocking the command console and launching a simple patch containing that access would be easier than completely coding in cheat codes themself since this already exists in the source.

Since I feel like you haven't considering we were arguing. If you would like some more detailed information as to why unlocking the command console would not only be fun, but also incredibly useful you can refer to my thread here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dear-devs.1159778/

 

[Neclord]

@FuzziSlippers

Okay Fuzzi, I'll take a step back. I haven't used a command console since Morrowind. My hate for PC gaming overcame my desire to play PC games at that point and I bailed.


So maybe they have streamlined it and added "safeties" since then


But, as I recall, you would open up the console, enter a string of code, and that would get you the desired result. That code could be a short series of numbers for something as simple as dropping an item, or something as long as a paragraph long to do...well, pretty much anything. Change frame rate, draw distance, nullify code, have whatever you want drop, turn off clipping, backdoor into dev rooms, rewrite sections of code...whatever. The only limitations were the back doors the devs installed for their own use or whatever someone was able to hack out of the code. People typing in untested or incorrect code could, literally, fry their computer in the process.


They had the standard codes (Drop Umbra. Complete quest. Add gold) but those were just the specifically listed one. People hacked into the game (and I use the term "hack" VERY loosely) and created new codes all the time.


Have they changed how they work that much?

The way the command console works is you type a command, from a premade list that the developers have programmed to get you a certain effect, typing an incorrect command gives you an error and that's it, machine won't explode or whatever. You can't program a command console to do what you want only what the devs have programmed it to do as anything else would require modifying the game code which you don't even have access to on console.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

The way the command console works is you type a command, from a premade list that the developers have programmed to get you a certain effect, typing an incorrect command gives you an error and that's it, machine won't explode or whatever. You can't program a command console to do what you want only what the devs have programmed it to do as anything else would require modifying the game code which you don't even have access to on console.

Still I'm sure way back when, some backdoors could have been exploited some how with some method I don't understand involving the command console lol but, like I said I can't imagine that would be something that is even a problem now if it was at all.

 

[Biv]

First of all, I apologize for coming on so aggressively during our debate, was nothing personal at all

We're good, and same to you.
I totally understand all the goodness that can be had from the command console.


My only concern has been allocation of resources. As I mentioned before, IF they were determined to add this and IF this was something that Sony would fight them on, all the other DLC would have to wait until the dispute was resolved. And Utopia is way too far out as it is.

Still I'm sure way back when, some backdoors could have been exploited some how with some method I don't understand involving the command console lol but, like I said I can't imagine that would be something that is even a problem now if it was at all.

Then things really have changed. Most the time I had no idea what I was typing in. It was just a string of gibberish letters, symbols and numbers.

 

[superdeluxe]

You can use the console when the game screws you over on sector resources.

I’m guessing you can find barren worlds using the console as well. Sure would help since the game does not keep track of terraform possible worlds

 

[FuzziSlippers]

You can use the console when the game screws you over on sector resources.

I’m guessing you can find barren worlds using the console as well. Sure would help since the game does not keep track of terraform possible worlds

This isn't my thread, but thank you so much for adding your input. That is a very good point indeed, there are bound to be other potential bugs that screw the player over without any means to solve the issue themselves. While not everything obviously can be fixed using the command console, it's not magic or a dev tool. But it can provide quick temporary solution to bugs that effect things like resources, or in superdeluxe's case it's a bug involving sectors that therefore screw him out of his resources. Also yes, I am fairly certain it can be used to reveal those things on the map, with either a command doing exactly that, or through a command that instantly surveys a system and/or individual worlds.

I added your testimony to my thread that way it can be displayed among the others who have so far supported this cause, and provided their own reasons as to why it should be unlocked. Thank you again for your help!

We're good, and same to you.
I totally understand all the goodness that can be had from the command console.


My only concern has been allocation of resources. As I mentioned before, IF they were determined to add this and IF this was something that Sony would fight them on, all the other DLC would have to wait until the dispute was resolved. And Utopia is way too far out as it is.



Then things really have changed. Most the time I had no idea what I was typing in. It was just a string of gibberish letters, symbols and numbers.

@Biv I understand that, frankly I felt the same way. I even mentioned in my own thread that I understand that compared to the grand scheme of things as far as this game goes, the unlocking of a command console is insignificant. But after doing some research, as well as remembering they confirmed it's existence it dawned upon me that it would reletively simple to unlock and implement with a patch, coding the patch probably being the only difficult part. By all means, if it is more effort than I am presuming then they should definitely focus on things like ironing out bugs, or pushing along the dlc, etc etc. but I can't imagine that is the case, I'm not game developer but something that insignificant compared to making updates can't be difficult at all to unlock, and add, they could even add it in along with a patch they were already planning to release. But I can't imagine Sony would have any gripes about it, like I said other games on Sony platforms do exist with a command console unlocked, and more of them than those with mod access, but I'm starting to sound like a broken record lol

Although with that said, it seems like with the command console unlocked players could help come across bugs quicker, and that they couldn't otherwise without access to the command console pushing them along until they stumble upon one, say at a part of the game they otherwise wouldn't have made it to. Which is another new reason as to why the devs should unlock it, they could then essentially have the community help them as far as finding bugs go. I wouldn't have thought of that without you, Biv, thank you!

I really like the game. Ive played a few other similar games and one of my favorite things to do is to turn on some cheats and take out a rival or two then play it out. Its really a struggle to compete with the AI in this game. If i had access to console it would definitely increase the hours i play it. I bought the special edition and have to wait months for the expansions, fine but without access to console its not as fun, period for players like me. I was going to buy every expansion but thats not happening without the console commands unlocked. Plenty of other games have them on ps4. It just feels wrong not having the option in a game like this. I dont see the harm it would do in single player. Disable it for multiplayer when it releases. But come on, let me cheat vs the insane AI please.

I never took the time to actually read your original post, and to think I was going to add it into my list of testimonies. I just saw the title and naturally I instantly agreed with its criteria and frankly I am disappointed with it.

And as much as I agree with you, that as I've said time and time again that there is no harm in it being accessible, and that there is no logical reason as to why something that already exists at the source isn't accessible to the player base.

But to not play the game or its expansions just because the command console is locked is asinine. As much they shouldnt withhold it from console players, the developers have every right to keep it locked for whatever reason it is they have it locked, it is their intellectual property and just like how I support people should have the right to play a game however they like, I support the right of a developer to do whatever they want with their IPs for the same reason I support the players, it's their property. As right as I think you are, threatening to not purchase the future dlc you already own (which you did btw when you bought the special edition aka the deluxe version lol) isn't going to make them do anything, even if you didn't already buy them. Because you didn't pay for access to a command console, the devs never said that was going to be including in what you were buying.

Rest assured though, I am much more reasonable than you are. You'll be happy to know that the dev's said officially in a older thread that they aren't against unlocking it, just that they are merely looking for a good enough reason to do so, which I among others have been providing exactly that.

But I just wanted you to be aware @THEFREAK420 that your threats and attitude aren't going to make the case. I hope you don't take that personally, if you want them to change their mind you have to give a better reason other than "the AI is too difficult", "the game isn't fun enough for people like me without them", or "I won't purchase anything else until it's added" while those may be true, and totally fine personal reasons for wanting them, they want reasons that actually provide benefits to the game

 

[THEFREAK420]

Yeah, i already have leviathins & utopia when they release. But i wont be buying any other expansions. I fully intended to before i even played the game. The command console would add massive replay to the game for me. Its frustrating when random aliens or pirates ruin everything with over powered fleets 5 minutes into the game, frustrating when you spawn a map with little or no resources around your home world. Theres dozens of reasons i want the console, Im sure Im not the only one. I havent seen one good reason yet as to why its being locked away from ps4 players. I wanna play god, crush other empires with ease etc. Experiment with out wasting ten hours of playing. Look the bottom line is, money talks. Period. No command console = i wont spend another cent on anything and i want all the expansions. But i like playing these types of games more with cheats. Thats not an attitude or threat, its a fact. Without acess , im done spending my money . More money being spent is a pretty good benefit to the game if you ask me. Increasing replay value seems benficial too.

 

[twenty]

Yeah, i already have leviathins & utopia when they release. But i wont be buying any other expansions. I fully intended to before i even played the game. The command console would add massive replay to the game for me. Its frustrating when random aliens or pirates ruin everything with over powered fleets 5 minutes into the game, frustrating when you spawn a map with little or no resources around your home world. Theres dozens of reasons i want the console, Im sure Im not the only one. I havent seen one good reason yet as to why its being locked away from ps4 players. I wanna play god, crush other empires with ease etc. Experiment with out wasting ten hours of playing. Look the bottom line is, money talks. Period. No command console = i wont spend another cent on anything and i want all the expansions. But i like playing these types of games more with cheats. Thats not an attitude or threat, its a fact. Without acess , im done spending my money . More money being spent is a pretty good benefit to the game if you ask me. Increasing replay value seems benficial too.

lol

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Yeah, i already have leviathins & utopia when they release. But i wont be buying any other expansions. I fully intended to before i even played the game. The command console would add massive replay to the game for me. Its frustrating when random aliens or pirates ruin everything with over powered fleets 5 minutes into the game, frustrating when you spawn a map with little or no resources around your home world. Theres dozens of reasons i want the console, Im sure Im not the only one. I havent seen one good reason yet as to why its being locked away from ps4 players. I wanna play god, crush other empires with ease etc. Experiment with out wasting ten hours of playing. Look the bottom line is, money talks. Period. No command console = i wont spend another cent on anything and i want all the expansions. But i like playing these types of games more with cheats. Thats not an attitude or threat, its a fact. Without acess , im done spending my money . More money being spent is a pretty good benefit to the game if you ask me. Increasing replay value seems benficial too.

That would work if every single person got together and said "let's boycott them" but you're one person, you see the problem? You might as well just play the game until I and the others convince them to unlock it, because you trying to boycott them is absurd and not gonna work

 

[THEFREAK420]

Thats kind of why i made a post titled "Can we please get the command console unlocked"? I havent seen one good argument against it. Its not modding, thats completely different.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Thats kind of why i made a post titled "Can we please get the command console unlocked"? I havent seen one good argument against it. Its not modding, thats completely different.

Yeah but making demands, demanding that they either unlock it or you refuse to purchase anything else from them is asinine.

Other than your own personal reasons, and other than merely "the ability to cheat" because that's obvious. Name one other reason, again besides from those, that you think they should unlock the command console. As much as I think those are bad personal reasons, it doesn't help the big picture and that's they want beneficial reasonings to unlock it.

I just want to give you the chance to do so, because if the developers think based on this / your thread (one of the most active threads) that the only reason people want it unlocked is so that they can cheat the game, then they are never gonna do it because that isn't a good enough reason for them to do it. Then all the dedication that myself and others have been putting into convincing them to unlock it would all be for nothing.

 

[Loganstron]

Players of Stellaris around the world can cheat at whim. They just all happen to play on PCs. No one is asking them for a better reason to use the command console. They just use it.

Why should it be any different on console?

To me that question is more compelling anyways. Do we have to make up a certain percentage of company profits before we get to cheat like our PC brethren?

This game will likely get Mod support, which is awesome! So why not grant access to the console commands? PC players already have both.

I’m sure there are plenty of players out there looking to play Stellaris multiplayer on console, but I’m not one of them. For me video games are a single player experience and who exactly would I be cheating if I used console commands? Myself? Really? Thanks Mom.

 

[Neclord]

Players of Stellaris around the world can cheat at whim. They just all happen to play on PCs. No one is asking them for a better reason to use the command console. They just use it.

Why should it be any different on console?

To me that question is more compelling anyways. Do we have to make up a certain percentage of company profits before we get to cheat like our PC brethren?

This game will likely get Mod support, which is awesome! So why not grant access to the console commands? PC players already have both.

I’m sure there are plenty of players out there looking to play Stellaris multiplayer on console, but I’m not one of them. For me video games are a single player experience and who exactly would I be cheating if I used console commands? Myself? Really? Thanks Mom.

Chances are if devs showed interest in removing console commands from the pc version there would be a few people that would show up to crusade for that on their behalf, there is always a steep resistance from a few who aren't interested in using these things to force their way of play on others who are, regardless if it affects them in any way shape or form. I don't understand it and imagine I never will, I certainly don't care if they choose not to use it but they can't afford me the same privilege.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

Players of Stellaris around the world can cheat at whim. They just all happen to play on PCs. No one is asking them for a better reason to use the command console. They just use it.

Why should it be any different on console?

To me that question is more compelling anyways. Do we have to make up a certain percentage of company profits before we get to cheat like our PC brethren?

This game will likely get Mod support, which is awesome! So why not grant access to the console commands? PC players already have both.

I’m sure there are plenty of players out there looking to play Stellaris multiplayer on console, but I’m not one of them. For me video games are a single player experience and who exactly would I be cheating if I used console commands? Myself? Really? Thanks Mom.

Won't be getting mod access on PS4, that's for sure. Exactly why they should unlock the command console before ever launching mod support for Xbox. Unlocking it would help draw in players who otherwise still haven't played stellaris. Stellaris being known as a console game with command console access, would draw in players particular from PlayStation seeking alternatives to mod access. They'll see this game does allow players to use the command console, and just on that basis alone play stellaris, where otherwise they probably never would have even looked at it. It would also help with PC gamers cross over easier, seeing they have the same features they do on PC (not including game version or dlc) would just make playing it on console more familiar, and less reason to hate console games for blocking out access to things that are totally reasonable to make accessible.

Chances are if devs showed interest in removing console commands from the pc version there would be a few people that would show up to crusade for that on their behalf, there is always a steep resistance from a few who aren't interested in using these things to force their way of play on others who are, regardless if it affects them in any way shape or form. I don't understand it and imagine I never will, I certainly don't care if they choose not to use it but they can't afford me the same privilege.

I couldn't agree more, exactly like the mere 4 people who are disagreeing with my posts. I know they only disagree with everything I post because they hate the idea of the command console, and they hate how much I have been advocating for it to be unlocked. They hate the idea that it can be used to understand the game quicker, they hate the idea of people not playing the game without it. For reasons I'll never understand, since they don't have to use it and other people using it doesn't effect them in the slightest so who honestly cares, who's game does this honestly impact? I think these people just hate the idea of freedom and hate the idea of people having fun, I feel like the thought of people enjoying their property how they want, and the thought of them so freely being able to do so just makes their blood boil.

Oh well, whether they like it or not if anything I have been saying about the command console actually are good enough reasons for the devs to unlock it, then they're gonna unlock it regardless of these freedom hating communists not wanting them to. I feel like chances are they will unlock it, the reasons I, and everyone else including you have provided show beyond reasonable doubt that unlocking it would do no harm, unlocking it would benefit not only the game but the playerbase, and would over all create more playability, I don't see why a game developer in their right mind wouldn't agree with all the points in support of the command console that all these people made.

 

[skullblits]

How does cheating help someone understand the games more?

The game would turn into..

Ughh he has a fleet with more battle ships.

Console commands.. Incert 55 battle ships.

Yaay I won.. Let's go play a different game.


I'll say this. From my personal opinion.

If u add the ability to cheat. Yea u don't have yo use it. But likely you may use it. Especially if you're getting destroyed.

Also this game is on a console where things are different. People lose interest more. I'd say.

If you add the ability to cheat then people would just use it all the time and. End up getting bored.

Now I myself wouldn't try to use it.. But I know I would end up using to gain a advantage.
And from my history of other games that had cheats. It gets boring. But the. Temptation is always there. So I end up getting very bored of it.


Also unless you come from Pc or watch some pc let's play use them. How is most of the console player base going to miss something. Soo badly generally they never get to use.

 

[FuzziSlippers]

How does cheating help someone understand the games more?

The game would turn into..

Ughh he has a fleet with more battle ships.

Console commands.. Incert 55 battle ships.

Yaay I won.. Let's go play a different game.


I'll say this. From my personal opinion.

If u add the ability to cheat. Yea u don't have yo use it. But likely you may use it. Especially if you're getting destroyed.

Also this game is on a console where things are different. People lose interest more. I'd say.

If you add the ability to cheat then people would just use it all the time and. End up getting bored.

Now I myself wouldn't try to use it.. But I know I would end up using to gain a advantage.
And from my history of other games that had cheats. It gets boring. But the. Temptation is always there. So I end up getting very bored of it.


Also unless you come from Pc or watch some pc let's play use them. How is most of the console player base going to miss something. Soo badly generally they never get to use.

If you don't understand how the command console can benefit the game more than just "oh we can cheat now" then I don't know what to tell you, I must have explained several times not only why it would be a useful tool to learn the game, but how it would provide as a useful tool, and frankly I am not going to explain it again just for you to disregard like 75% of the contents I posted. There are probably several other reasons why and how it can be used to learn the game, it's mechanics, and allow further experimentation of the game and it's mechanics, I am pretty sure this is the main reason the concept of a command console exists in the first place.

I don't understand how being able to use "cheats" would make the game boring, if anything it would do the exact opposite. Sure this game already has a lot to do, and multiple different ways you can play it. But eventually that is going to get exhausted, and it's going to become repetitive, true to any game. The command console keeps that interesting and fresh, creating further replayable moments and increasingly memoriable moments beyond that of which is already offered. Again, something else I've explained several times already, and if you actually read my posts there would be no reason for you to even be saying that.

I also don't understand the last thing you said. I never said the console playerbase would miss anything in a sentimental sense. Just that players on the PlayStation compared to Xbox will miss the chance for mod access due to sony's stance, and that unlocking the command console would be easier to make accessible than mod access and that they should focus on unlocking the command console before allowing mods to be accessible. I also said that players would be even more drawn to stellaris knowing there is a command console for it and that it is a console game. Particually players on PlayStation who want mod access, but will never get it, players who otherwise would have never bothered to even look at stellaris on the market place. Just because someone plays only on the console does not mean they don't know what a command console is, they are just conditioned to never having access to one. So I am certain that stellaris unlocking the console would draw those players into playing the game, for the sheer fact that it will be the closest to mod access they will ever get, effectively making it an easier and safer to implement alternative to using mods. Let alone the fact it would help pc gamers cross over. Not to make this about mods, since frankly I don't care about them.

None the less, cheating in games makes games more interesting not boring, and no not everyone will use it. There are at least 6 people on this forum who explicitly said they'll never use it, but also see no issue with it being made accessible. When are you going to stop pushing your feeble ideology on me, and stopn trying to make me and everyone else play the game how YOU see fit? Because the command console being unlocked doesn't effect you, or the rest of you freedom haters.

Your personal opinion is wrong, and it's moot at best. I can't believe I keep wasting my time dignifying you with a response, but that's the end of it. I'll no longer be regarding anything you say with any value from this point on, because everything you have said to me about the subject from the beginning has been asinine and I won't put up with it anymore, so good day to you.