can u turn off the restart after exiting a campaign?

[Chaingun]

This is an example of lazy programming. They failed to fix the Crash-to-desktop with the disabling of the multiplayer button after using singleplayer, so now they just restart the game after it crashes. Unbelieveable. And they still expect us to pay $20 for DLCs, lmao

Sure, we could assign a programmer on fixing that for 6-12 months*, not including all new bugs it would bring to rewrite significant parts of the code, but we chose to work on more interesting stuff.

* My own estimate.

 

[Chaingun]

I'm sorry, but this is a pretty piss poor response. Your game is no longer able to load directly within another game and now we have to restart as well? This is something applications have been doing since DOS.

I am merely being realistic here. Your DOS comparison is wrong on a number of levels but since you don't know the code internals I understand your sentiment.

As for everyone else, your suggestions have been noted and I will bring them up internally.

Note that we did it because:
- Restarting is often faster than resetting game state
- Restarting doesn't leak memory like resetting game state
- Restarting doesn't CTD unlike resetting game state which frequently did so
- Restarting gives correct check sum

(These issues are engine particulars solved in our newer games.)

 

[Chaingun]

At least give us the god damn option for those of us who dont care for these reasons and were doing just fine beforehand.

The precise point is you wouldn't be doing fine in 1.14 in all cases. Like I already said, I understand the frustration expressed in this thread and it's definitely going to reach Wiz' attention.

 

[Chaingun]

When you're ready to return to reality we can have a fruitful discussion. Notice that I didn't reply to some of the ranting in this thread already because of how it's entirely about things people imagine. Implying we're not using profilers is kind of hilarious.

 

[Chaingun]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there isn't a problem with the gamestate not properly resetting, so obviously you wouldn't be 'doing fine in all cases', irrespective of version honestly, without this fix. However, what I think is very clear is people are saying that the solution used to fix the problem is causing as much, if not more, disruption and inconvenience than the problem that the solution fixed.

His choice of wording, not mine. If we left this out restart, all else being equal, it would CTD most of the time in 1.14.

In fairness mate you can't come up with a crazy notion like 'It's this or spend 6-12 months fixing the problem' and then argue that people have to come 'return to reality' to have a fruitful discussion. You invited a certain level of hyperbole with that comment.

The crazy part was mentioning it here without being at liberty or it being useful to elaborate on why it is like that (profoundly technical). You're entirely right that post should have had a different direction since little relevant discussion has come of it.

The issue here is fairly simple. There has been an ongoing problem affecting the game since release regarding the gamestate of successive games maintaining their consistency across a number of restarts within the same launch of the application. The devs solution to this, in 1.14, has been to forcibly close and reopen the application in every circumstance where a player might or will be restarting a game. This is an unnecessarily invasive and burdensome fix to a very minor issue that has had, until this point, limited impact.

You're mistaken in believing it had minor impact (hint: maintenance effort in keeping it working). The amount of resources this feature consumes is entirely disproportional to its comparative utility. I.e. those for whom resigning is not the most fun part of the game have suffered in secret.

 

[Chaingun]

Valid question. It uses somewhat different logic and not all of the issues I listed are present. We decided to keep it like it is despite some issues overlapping. If you want a 100% "pure" load without side effects, you always need to start game from fresh at the moment.

 

[Chaingun]

We could consider that GUI change, sure. Wiz/Johan make the calls though.

Revert is unfortunately tied with all other game logic, and we will not be reverting Cossacks. Might be possible to get working well enough again to offer it as an option, as people already suggested.

As for attitude, if you had full insight on this code yours wouldn't be different I can guarantee.

 

[Chaingun]

Not so much the engine in this case as the fact EU4 inherits code from EU3 and earlier. Might respond to more later, I should really get some work done today and forum arguments can take a lot of time.