can u turn off the restart after exiting a campaign?

[1nf3ct3d]

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[HamsOfMonsanche]

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Are you referring to the game map resetting? If that's the case, and you want to select another nation from that same game you can simply go to your most recent save and pick any nation that exists on the map (unless you're in ironman)

Otherwise, no idea what you are asking about.

 

[1nf3ct3d]

if u are in a campaign and choose exit to menu the game restarts

 

[redmark]

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Are you referring to the game map resetting? If that's the case, and you want to select another nation from that same game you can simply go to your most recent save and pick any nation that exists on the map (unless you're in ironman)

Otherwise, no idea what you are asking about.

When clicking 'Back to Menu' from within the game, after the status screen, it actually restarts the game rather than stepping back to the menu. By design apparently, but a little frustrating.

 

[UnTwoSan]

When you want to start a campagne, than go back to the menu screen, the game will "reload", it's probably about that!

 

[Dragomar]

This is an example of lazy programming. They failed to fix the Crash-to-desktop with the disabling of the multiplayer button after using singleplayer, so now they just restart the game after it crashes. Unbelieveable. And they still expect us to pay $20 for DLCs, lmao

 

[grommile]

This is an example of lazy programming. They failed to fix the Crash-to-desktop with the disabling of the multiplayer button after using singleplayer, so now they just restart the game after it crashes. Unbelieveable. And they still expect us to pay $20 for DLCs, lmao

There is no credible business case for spending hundreds - maybe even thousands - of engineer-hours on tracking down the issues with imperfect gamestate reset, when "make the game relaunch itself" is a practical and reliable workaround for those issues.

 

[Dragomar]

I wouldn't expect paradox to be around much longer with their design/business philosophy tbh

 

[grommile]

I wouldn't expect paradox to be around much longer with their design/business philosophy tbh

Companies with far, far worse design/business philosophies have stayed in business for a loooong time.

 

[yerm]

There is no credible business case for spending hundreds - maybe even thousands - of engineer-hours on tracking down the issues with imperfect gamestate reset, when "make the game relaunch itself" is a practical and reliable workaround for those issues.

CTDs are pretty serious. I don't think this "fix" is necessarily bad, but, it should be a stopgap while the real problem IS actually addressed.

I wouldn't expect paradox to be around much longer with their design/business philosophy tbh

Yeah, they're the myspace of strategy games, for sure...

 

[Veneke]

There is no credible business case for spending hundreds - maybe even thousands - of engineer-hours on tracking down the issues with imperfect gamestate reset, when "make the game relaunch itself" is a practical and reliable workaround for those issues.

That's quite true. However, there's also no need to relaunch the game every time for everyone to handle the occasional imperfect gamestate reset that only affects a small proportion of the playerbase.

This was a nuclear option to rectify a, frankly really rather small, error that causes more inconvenience than the problem which it fixed.

Not that it's a big inconvenience either I suppose, but it's definitely a startling bizarre solution.

 

[Dragomar]

It's not only in once instance though. For example, their AI cheat in order to make up for their deficiencies as well. Seeing through FoW to see your movement arrows, not taking naval attrition... Nickle and diming for every DLC... Poor philosophy is prevalent here.

 

[DicRoNero]

There is no credible business case for spending hundreds - maybe even thousands - of engineer-hours on tracking down the issues with imperfect gamestate reset, when "make the game relaunch itself" is a practical and reliable workaround for those issues.

How about those of us who never encountered such a bug? Why should we be held hostages by this crap? I'm already irritated by the game restarting itself, and I played just an hour.

 

[Chaingun]

This is an example of lazy programming. They failed to fix the Crash-to-desktop with the disabling of the multiplayer button after using singleplayer, so now they just restart the game after it crashes. Unbelieveable. And they still expect us to pay $20 for DLCs, lmao

Sure, we could assign a programmer on fixing that for 6-12 months*, not including all new bugs it would bring to rewrite significant parts of the code, but we chose to work on more interesting stuff.

* My own estimate.

 

[Veneke]

Sure, we could assign a programmer on fixing that for 6-12 months, not including all new bugs it would bring to rewrite code base, but we chose to work on more interesting stuff.

If I may, you might actually have done better to follow this logic through and not have addressed this problem at all. Just let people restart the application as necessary rather than force restarting when there's no need to do so.

An opportunity missed, I think.

 

[redmark]

Sure, we could assign a programmer on fixing that for 6-12 months, not including all new bugs it would bring to rewrite significant parts of the code, but we chose to work on more interesting stuff.

Stick another button on the menu. One goes back to the home screen (after displaying the score page), as it used to. One displays the score page and then restarts the game, for those concerned about the gamestate issue.

An hour's coding, call it 5 days if you quote like my development team at work does .

 

[grommile]

For example, their AI cheat in order to make up for their deficiencies as well.

The AI cheats because making it smart enough to not need to cheat is variously either (a) computationally prohibitive (since, y'know, there are 200+ tags in play) or (b) destructive of fun.

 

[Dragomar]

Sure, we could assign a programmer on fixing that for 6-12 months, not including all new bugs it would bring to rewrite code base, but we chose to work on more interesting stuff.

Look, i'm not asking for that. If you want to use the easy way out at least put a toggle 'automatically restart game on crash' box in the option menu, so you don't piss off paying customers who don't experience the bug you refuse to fix. What's one more boolean variable anyway.

EDIT: Redmark ninjaed me.

 

[grommile]

What's one more boolean variable anyway.

It depends. In some cases, one more boolean variable literally doubles your testing workload.

 

[Dragomar]

The AI cheats because making it smart enough to not need to cheat is variously either (a) computationally prohibitive (since, y'know, there are 200+ tags in play) or (b) destructive of fun.

A. Is certainly false, b is subjective. Multiple examples of strategy games with non-cheating AI. Supreme commander 1 is one of my very favorite strategy games for this reason. There are usually thousands of units on screen at any time. They allow a choice between cheating AI and non. It is just poor philosophy.