Can someone explain to me how to successfully demand Slovenia?

[KaiserBismarckll]

As Germany, you have a national focus to demand Slovenia just like you demand the Sudentland. the Sudetenland is always given up, but I find Slovenia never is. Can someone explain to to get them to hand it over, and then how to get Greece to accept "protection"?

 

[xtfoster]

1st, Sudetenland isn't always surrendered, just usually.

For Slovenia, you have to check Yugoslavia's guarantees before you run the NF. If they are still being guaranteed by France they are less likely to give it up. This is actually true for Sudetenland also. Even if they aren't being guaranteed, there is still a chance they will refuse.

 

[brainiac1530]

If France backs down during the Sudetenland event, it removes their guarantee from Yugoslavia as well.

 

[him_15]

This focus isn't worth it anyway, as Yugoslavia barely build any factory on Slovenia.

 

[GrandVezir]

As Germany, you have a national focus to demand Slovenia just like you demand the Sudentland. the Sudetenland is always given up, but I find Slovenia never is. Can someone explain to to get them to hand it over, and then how to get Greece to accept "protection"?

There are a few mechanics at play (someone better at parsing the game files than me can probably get detailed weights and percentages):

• Yugoslavia is overall less likely to give up Slovenia, than Czechoslovakia is to give up the Sudetenland.
• Both get less willing to give up their territory with higher world tension.
• Both are also less willing to give it up if their independence is guaranteed by another country, the bigger the better.

In actual gameplay, I have found Yugoslavia will almost never give up Slovenia unless I demand it before the Sudetenland (due to the world tension increase that causes), at which point the Sudeten demand becomes more of a coin flip than a certainty.

 

[blahmaster6k]

There are a few mechanics at play (someone better at parsing the game files than me can probably get detailed weights and percentages):

• Yugoslavia is overall less likely to give up Slovenia, than Czechoslovakia is to give up the Sudetenland.
• Both get less willing to give up their territory with higher world tension.
• Both are also less willing to give it up if their independence is guaranteed by another country, the bigger the better.

In actual gameplay, I have found Yugoslavia will almost never give up Slovenia unless I demand it before the Sudetenland (due to the world tension increase that causes), at which point the Sudeten demand becomes more of a coin flip than a certainty.

Following that, what's your success rate on Fate of Yugoslavia? I tend to play historical with my Germany runs and don't think I've ever tried going for Yugo through focuses. Is it possible? Or will it always start WWII?

 

[eastcoastceojam]

Following that, what's your success rate on Fate of Yugoslavia? I tend to play historical with my Germany runs and don't think I've ever tried going for Yugo through focuses. Is it possible? Or will it always start WWII?

Back on 1.9.3, I did some experiments with the "Fate of Yugoslavia" sub-tree. With Historical Focuses on, I was able to consistently get all of Yugoslavia peacefully, without starting WWII. But that was with me bee-lining for those focuses, and ignoring everything else not required to get to those focuses.

Not sure if it will work if you play Germany historically, and do things like annexing Czechoslovakia/Memel, etc., that raise World Tension before you get to Yugoslavia. Also unsure if this still works on 1.10x. But I can confirm it was possible in the recent past.

 

[bitmode]

As Germany, you have a national focus to demand Slovenia just like you demand the Sudentland. the Sudetenland is always given up, but I find Slovenia never is. Can someone explain to to get them to hand it over?

Must-have requirements :

• Yugoslavia must not be a puppet
• neither you nor Yugoslavia is at war with the UK

After that a chain of decisions takes place. First Britain gets to decide whether to abandon Yugoslavia. They will do so 90% of the time because otherwise they lose 200 PP and 5% stability to add Yugoslavia to the Allies.

Assuming the UK does abandon Yugoslavia, France gets to decide. Their decision is basically a carbon copy of the British one, so 90% success chance again in this step.

At this point, both countries have rescinded their guarantees with 81% probability. (EDIT: due to a bug UK's decision can sidestep France)

Next up, if Italy chose Befriend Yugoslavia and is not allied with Germany, they get a chance to back up Yugoslavia. The probability here is 25% unless they have more than 75 divisions, making it a 50% probability.

Lastly, if abandoned by everyone, Yugoslavia gets to decide. The normal probability to give up Slovenia is again 90% in this step, with a couple of modifiers:

• Austria still existing halves the success chance
• having close to as many divisions as Germany (70%) divides the probability by 10
• being in a faction halves the success chance
• at least one neighboring country being allied with Germany halves the chance of refusing

So the best course of action (Anschluss, ally Italy, having a non-terrible army) puts the overall probability of success at 77%. Britain abandoning and France backing up Yugoslavia might also be seen as a partial success because they will form their own faction outside of the Allies.

and then how to get Greece to accept "protection"?

I assume you mean Fate of Greece? Here the situation is quite a bit simpler. Greece will always refuse if guaranteed or allied by/with anyone and always accept otherwise.

 

[KaiserBismarckll]

Thank you all, especially bitmode. My questions are answered.