Can someone explain to me Decadent Lifestyle living standard?
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I think that's what Chemical Bliss is meant to represent, yeah. Decadent Lifestyle is definitely, yeah, the Blackjack and... Entertainers civic.
I will say, it seems like an oversight that Decadent Lifestyle lacks the same Political Power balance as Decent Conditions. Bread and Circuses might keep the lower classes happier, but it doesn't make a society more egalitarian.
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Emulating that book with Bio Ascension would demand SO MUCH MICRO ...
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- im not talking about mechanics. Not to mention that you dont really pay that much for that 20% happiness bonus. It is only 10% increase over a standard 1/0.5/0.25 consumption.
- BNW world was heavily stratified thou. Not the case with Decadent lifestyle under which lower classes consume less than upper classes but at the same time hold as much political power as them.
Well, pops using this Living Standard only consume slightly more than normal while being content on levels consistent with the post-scarcity absolute spamming of prosperity Utopian Abundance provides. I can only assume that they're being showered in the luxuries of life that come with a lower cost, which I leave to your imagination. The growth boost should be a good clue.
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I think it's based around things like the pre slaneesh eldar or maybe dark eldar. They said they wanted to do fantasy tropes with humanoids but strayed a bit away from that. I guess they went to the sci fantasy things and that one is what I can think of atm as an example for it. So basicly a society that is based around pleasure seeking above all else, even things that might be taboo in many other cultures I imagine.
It is weird to me that this is represented through higher consumer good cost and not amenities tho, so maybe I am wrong. Or maybe the devs didn't think about that or there were technical limitations that kept them from basing the thing around amenities.
From what we can tell gameplay wise atm it is a society where the different strata have different lifestyles, due to different consumer goods upkeep. However everyone is happy with that for some reason due to the equal happiness, so I guess other values than just consumer goods based ones. The improved amenities from servants tells us, that they know really well how to entertain themselfs with servants somehow. The increased pop growth from entertainers tells us that there is something that stimulates sex done somehow.
The description of the lifestyle further shows that there is supposed to be an inequality. So does the civic description. The thing that isn't shown in mechanics is that the "burden" that is carried by others.
I agree that the civic is a flavour mess. There is multiple ways you could imagine a society that is based on pleasure and entertainment above all else and this civics descriptions explain one, but the gameplay shows another.
To kinda fix that I made a suggestion a bit back and there's a few more thoughts on the civic. to not write all that down again here's the suggestion https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-amenities-instead-of-consumer-goods.1488655/
It is weird to me that this is represented through higher consumer good cost and not amenities tho, so maybe I am wrong. Or maybe the devs didn't think about that or there were technical limitations that kept them from basing the thing around amenities.
From what we can tell gameplay wise atm it is a society where the different strata have different lifestyles, due to different consumer goods upkeep. However everyone is happy with that for some reason due to the equal happiness, so I guess other values than just consumer goods based ones. The improved amenities from servants tells us, that they know really well how to entertain themselfs with servants somehow. The increased pop growth from entertainers tells us that there is something that stimulates sex done somehow.
The description of the lifestyle further shows that there is supposed to be an inequality. So does the civic description. The thing that isn't shown in mechanics is that the "burden" that is carried by others.
I agree that the civic is a flavour mess. There is multiple ways you could imagine a society that is based on pleasure and entertainment above all else and this civics descriptions explain one, but the gameplay shows another.
To kinda fix that I made a suggestion a bit back and there's a few more thoughts on the civic. to not write all that down again here's the suggestion https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-amenities-instead-of-consumer-goods.1488655/
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I think they completely botched this concept.
Decadent lifestyle should have been some sort of "dark", non-egalitarian utopian abundance, with profound impact on the structure of your society.
It should have been an evolved and extreme form of social stratification. All of society divides into idle masters that enjoy every luxury, and the underclass that provides said luxury. Can be racially-based as well, why not. Again, an evolution and ultimate consequence of stratification.
Not just a silly, superficial happiness bonus at a cost, with some non-sequitur text.
I hope they correct it, and soon.
Decadent lifestyle should have been some sort of "dark", non-egalitarian utopian abundance, with profound impact on the structure of your society.
It should have been an evolved and extreme form of social stratification. All of society divides into idle masters that enjoy every luxury, and the underclass that provides said luxury. Can be racially-based as well, why not. Again, an evolution and ultimate consequence of stratification.
Not just a silly, superficial happiness bonus at a cost, with some non-sequitur text.
I hope they correct it, and soon.
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- everyone else in this thread understood perfectly well what i asked. At this point it looks like you are just maliciously trying to troll.
- this is exactly why i started this thread. My imagination simply stalls and refuse to accept this life standard.
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it feels a bit like it wants to be a romanticized version of the living conditions in the Roman Empire, but halfway there it forgot what it wanted to be.
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I agree it's a minimum tone deaf between fluff and function, but honestly even the function is kinda all over.
You get a powerful lifestyle, but you can't apply it universally because it does not have slave strata support, so you need to be someone that can slave in order to has servants unless you want to wait around for protocol droids which eww as a pop. But wait those that can slave already have or snergize with ethics that enable alternate living standards. So it feels half wasted.
The entertainer buff is so small as to be not worth noting.
More then doubling base servant output is a really big buff but getting servants in the first place is hard since its an "unemployed" tier job. And the aforementioned ethics/strata problem.
So what's the ideal usage? A xenophobe that for some reason does not go in for any of materialistic, authoritarian, or egalitarian, due living conditions conflict.
Pacifist? if you take syncretic origin maybe, otherwise no. Even with a syncretic start your gonna have issues with pop ratios inherent to running a serviles race, more mirco.
Spiritualist? Besides just being bad in general, there you have priests doing the amenities job, green tech and unity besides. So no need of servants.
That leaves a militant xenophobe, that then gets barred from another axis alinged pick in warrior culture (for what i presume is technical or balance reasons, ie to much in one job)
And why cant cant i pair it with slaver guilds? Authoritarian living condition enable aside, why NOT? The most hedonistic empires of history and fantasy feature institutionalized slavery in some form.
what is this mess? and on civic without ethics axis lockouts too boot, when it in fact is not generally synergistic.
You get a powerful lifestyle, but you can't apply it universally because it does not have slave strata support, so you need to be someone that can slave in order to has servants unless you want to wait around for protocol droids which eww as a pop. But wait those that can slave already have or snergize with ethics that enable alternate living standards. So it feels half wasted.
The entertainer buff is so small as to be not worth noting.
More then doubling base servant output is a really big buff but getting servants in the first place is hard since its an "unemployed" tier job. And the aforementioned ethics/strata problem.
So what's the ideal usage? A xenophobe that for some reason does not go in for any of materialistic, authoritarian, or egalitarian, due living conditions conflict.
Pacifist? if you take syncretic origin maybe, otherwise no. Even with a syncretic start your gonna have issues with pop ratios inherent to running a serviles race, more mirco.
Spiritualist? Besides just being bad in general, there you have priests doing the amenities job, green tech and unity besides. So no need of servants.
That leaves a militant xenophobe, that then gets barred from another axis alinged pick in warrior culture (for what i presume is technical or balance reasons, ie to much in one job)
And why cant cant i pair it with slaver guilds? Authoritarian living condition enable aside, why NOT? The most hedonistic empires of history and fantasy feature institutionalized slavery in some form.
what is this mess? and on civic without ethics axis lockouts too boot, when it in fact is not generally synergistic.
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