Can someone explain the formula for how much prestige is lost for a war declaration?

[unmerged(116276)]

I heard on this forum somewhere that it was related to how much prestige the enemy country had, and this has seemed correct so far. I've been going round annexing all the uncivilised nations with negative prestige, and each time it has only cost me 1 prestige point to declare (colonial) war on them.

However, what I have found is as soon as the enemy country has over 0 prestige, you're paying 100 prestige points for a declaration of war. If the enemy has only a few negative prestige points (let's say -10) you'd still pay quite a few points for a declaration of war, though not the full 100.

This all seemed to work fine. However I've now declared a colonial war on France. France has 764 prestige, so I was expecting to pay 100 prestige points to declare war on them. However, I only have to pay 36pts.

So this has rendered what I thought was the calculation irrelevant, so it must be something else. France has much more industry than me (I'm playing as Transvaal), I have a slightly larger military score than them, and I have 400 more prestige than they do. Against the uncivilised nations I always had the advantage in military score, prestige, and industry. If it helps, France is a Great Power, and I am an independant nation (at rank 9).

So this makes me wonder why I am paying less prestige points to declare war on a much better country, when before I've had to pay 100 prestige points just to attack Oranjie!

 

[RELee]

I have no clue as to the actual formula (this is a link to VickyWiki, btw).

 

[volksmarschall]

I can say you lose prestige usually in smaller portions, -1, -2. I believe you lose more if declaring war on a nation that has same background, religion and independant status while not as much for opposites. As for a formula I don't know, sorry.

 

[LodovicoAriosto]

From the mid-game on I am used to DoW with either -1 or -100 penalty, because nearly all countries are either bankrupted or have several hundred prestige points.

 

[pizza de oveja]

Well from my experience in my full time german campaing this weekend you get -100 seemingly whenever you declare war on a mayor country. I got -100 for DOW'in mexico, so I expect you get it with all the other countries too.

But the thing is that if you manage to do them some damage and ocupy most of the country, although it is imposible I think in victoria (a great adition that prohibit the ala-risk games of hoi2) to anex a true country you get +100 prestige for accepting their terms of surrender and a few provinces. I dunno how much prestige you get from proposing your own treaties but if must be that much at least i suppose. So in the end you dont loose if the war turns ok.

If you're DOWing big countries I suggest you keep in mind more your badboy status than your prestige. I was +200 relations with Rusia, then got a +25 badboy and a -400 to relations with rusia(thus got a -200, it was like one day I was uncle fritz and the other the hated hun a bit harsh IMHO) when I had the 3 hurras and in a month I was dealing with the unstopable (or so they thought hehe) armies of the Tzar overuning the states of the my prussian generals!

Ps.
It was great to see my U-boote sink the mexican man-o-wars in the Gulf and von ludendorf saking hands with the representatives of the CSA at the Texas frontier hehe...only in a paradox game...:rofl:

 

[Jingles]

Just set your message settings to alert you when a country goes bankrupt. When a country goes bankrupt, I believe they get -300 prestige, and if they are an unciv this will definitely drop them below -100 prestige, and thus making it cost only 1 prestige to declare war.

 

[jamy30]

i think it depends on how much badboy that nation has. for example france might have 700 prestige but if they have 40 badboy it might cost u less prestige to attack. this sort of makes sense from what ive seen...

 

[pizza de oveja]

Just set your message settings to alert you when a country goes bankrupt. When a country goes bankrupt, I believe they get -300 prestige, and if they are an unciv this will definitely drop them below -100 prestige, and thus making it cost only 1 prestige to declare war.

That's the spirit! hit the country in the nuts when it's down!:rofl:
Nice tip! I gotta remember that one for my glorious German campaing!
THX

 

[unmerged(116276)]

Oh don't worry I've been going round annexing the bankrupt uncivs. I managed to use land I got from them to buy the British claims in Africa, and buy the land they already had. France however, hated me, so war was the solution there.




RAWR. Fear the mighty Transvaal!

 

[Dysken]

Oh don't worry I've been going round annexing the bankrupt uncivs. I managed to use land I got from them to buy the British claims in Africa, and buy the land they already had. France however, hated me, so war was the solution there.




RAWR. Fear the mighty Transvaal!

Time to get a socialist party in power and begin some serious social engineering.

 

[unmerged(116276)]

Nah, I'll stick with the Vortrekker party. They've got me this far. Besides, my lazy capitalists have only built 1 factory in the entire game so it's not like there's much point granting full citizenship and turning loads of farmers into craftsmen or labourers. I've only got an industry score of 100 despite having loads of land and a large population. And given only Dutch is an accepted culture it's not really worth putting Egyptians and Ethiopians in factories as I wouldn't make any money.

 

[unmerged(37275)]

I dont know, it can be worth it if you want to compete in the score tables. I had Oranje with slightly less territory, but most provinces had a fairly large capatlist POP, kept full citizenship and ended with a farily respectable industrial score (somewhere over 1000). Esp in the larger African provinces with full railroad, it can be quite lucrative. Though if they have free trade, it can hurt your income for a while.

 

[unmerged(116276)]

Oh, the score thing at the end of the game? I don't really bother myself about that- I set my own objectives to fufill in the game when playing tiny nations. All I want to do is conquer all of Africa.

Playing a country like Prussia you'd obviously aim for the top score though.

 

[unmerged(37275)]

Well, its true its not all about score. Though I do like to be in the top 8, just so I get that nice image around my flag. As a small nation it is pretty much impossible to get above about 6, as some nations are just to far ahead. High industrial score also has benifits with regards wealth. What is your miliatry score like compared to France? That was the hardest bit for me, keeping them at bay (when they kept landing all on my coast, needed three divisions dug in to 100 on all coastal provinces) but then that was my fault for letting them declare normal war on me rather than pre-empting it with colonial war on them. Once you no longer have a boarder with them it doesnt matter anymore.

Also what does your education modifer look like? There is benifits to promoting POPs for that reason (though I cant remember how accepted nationality affects that).

Anyway, im not telling you how to play, that is of course up to you. Just pointing out why I like full citizenship.

 

[unmerged(116276)]

My military score is 250. France's is 117 (I slaughtered them in the previous colonial war though). I have colonial "wars" going on with the UK, where I took their land bit of land in Africa as well (I say "war" as all my provinces are part of a statehood, and they don't have any African colonies left, so it's only a war in the official sense). I'll have to grab French Algeria then sign a peace treaty with them so I own that land and can grant it statehood, then declare another colonial war on them in 5 years time and let it run until the end of the game.

One thing that has benefitted me in this game is Germany never really got going. They accepted the Frankfurt Assembly proposal, which took them into -300 prestige or something like that. They've only just got back into positve prestige now. They never truly unified either- the North German/South German federation never joined them as they never went to war with France to get the three hurrahs event. This has meant they've never tried any colonising, so it was one less power I had to fight.

Literacy is 77.6% now, I've had it on the maximum level throughout the game. I'm getting 1.94 research points a month, but I can't research anymore stuff right now (I believe new techs get activated in the 1900's?).

To be honest, it probably would be possible to take Transvaal to at least rank 3-4 if you were prepared to get a liberal party in power to get immigrants early on to boost the population, and get full citizenship to stuff factories full of workers to boost industry score. But rather like spamming masses of battleships at the end of the game to get the military score higher, it seems a bit gamey to have loads of immigrants coming to Transvaal (I read an AAR where Uruguay got 60 million people at one point by doing the same!).

Of course, one could also argue it's gamey to have Transvaal conquer the whole of Africa, so...:rofl:

 

[unmerged(37275)]

Nice stats, your right it prob wouldnt be hard to get into the top 5 with that. The only other reason I would get industry up is that sometimes I like to convert to HOI. Then industry pretty much makes or breaks the game. I dont do it always, just like to have the option. A good reason not to bother though is the micromanagment of all those provinces. My industrilisation does tend to slow down when I get big because I cant be bothered to go through the and change them all. It was easy at first as my game as Uraguay, I had something like 80 mil people in the three provinces due to immigration. Then I conquered all of South Amreica and lost interest in promoting pops going through all the provinces etc.

 

[Jingles]

That's the spirit! hit the country in the nuts when it's down!:rofl:
Nice tip! I gotta remember that one for my glorious German campaing!
THX

No problem, that's definitely one of my favorite things to do in game. As soon as the message comes in of a bankrupt country, you have to set sail.

And I don't think it's particularly gamey either, as I like to think of it as: a poor country gets heavily in debt and defaults on its loans, so the rich European country needs to step in and collect payment.