Can someone explain Finnish Monarchs?

[MattyG]

Can someone explain Ukrainian Monarchs?

Greetings,

The Finnish monarch file seem very odd.

First, no king last longer than maybe three years and most last less than a year. I can understand a nation going through a few quick changes , and these would be periods of extreme stife, but not for 400 years.

Second, despite this continuous swapping around, many many of the leaders have great stats. How can someone who only lasts six months possibly have Admin of 9? Noit only is this too hort a period to assess someone, but surely if they were this good they would hold onto power for and damn sight longer than six months.

Am I missing something?

 

[unmerged(34301)]

The kings just keep getting deposed or dying

The reason that someone like that could have high admin is that kings aren't created out of nowhere. They are rising from being counts or dukes and they already know a great deal about running a nation from their experience. With good advisors, they can apply their experience and be an excellent leader.

 

[tombom]

The shortest is 2 years for one king. All but 3 last longer than 10 years IIRC. Ask Byakhiam (copy-pasted it this time! ) if you really have a problem.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

That doesn't sound like Aberration finnish monarch file at all, MattyG. Are you sure you have the right file?

 

[MattyG]

Oooops

Sorry,

I think I meant the Ukrainian monarchs.

 

[ZhugeKongming]

Ukraine starts out as a kind of tribal federation where the leaders are elected for short periods of time, IIRC.

 

[MattyG]

Well, OK, it's great that the designers have given Ukraine a flavourful bakground, but how does this translate into a nation which continues to be so structured right up until 1820?

High stats like 8 and 9 should be reserved for the crème de la crème, Monarchs like Elizabeth, Catherine, Henry V, Henri V, Jisabel y Fernando, the ones that stamped themselves upon their time and left discernable legacies.

Also, is this chaotic leadership accompanied by events that reduce the nations centralisation? In game terms, I would be surprised if a nation with so many changes in leadership could drag itself more than a point or two from pure decentralisation.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Ukraine is a sort of republic, with elected chief hetman and so on. See event 201406 and 201408 in major_ukr for more details. The oft changing leaders does not mean instability and coups, but just elected leader, who has to confirm himself annually post 1571, which leads to the average of about two year "lifespans" for each monarch until 1687, after which each monarch rules for at least seven years.

 

[MattyG]

Thanks, but still ....

Thanks Byahkim.

That certainly explains the structure of it.

I don't, however, think it justifies the run of quality for these Hatmen. Not only are there two 9/9/9 Hatmen but there are two 9/9 dudes as well. And a thorough flourishing of people with a single 9 stat and lots of 8s. A little too much upper end quality to be believable.

But then, this is 'Aberration'.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Well, I think it was thought when it was done that Ukraine needs skillful monarchs at those times (from gameplay point) and therefore all hetmans in particular period needed to be very good.