Can someone explain Catholic Zealots to me?

[delpiero1234]

So Catholic Zealots revolted in the Papal States. I have a few questions about them
1. Next to the rebel flag there is my flag. Why is it there? I am not supporting rebels in the Papal States.
2. Why do Catholic Zealots rebel in the most catholic country of EU IV?
3. What will happen if the rebels win the siege? To whom will the province defect? To me?

 

[dav77-b]

The flag means they are friendly to you. They will not attack you. n case of patriots/nationalist it means they can give you provinces. I think its open for the papal stat to convert, but iam not sure about it.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Are they actually conducting a siege?

Rebels of your religion are usually friendly to you. Occasionally they'll spawn in or move to territory of their own religion owned by a country of their own religion, and be friendly to that country and unable to siege any of their provinces. Then they just sit there for the rest of the game.

 

[delpiero1234]

Are they actually conducting a siege?

Yes they are conducting a siege. Romagna is owned by the Papal State and the Zealots won the siege.
Going to be interesting to see what happens now. I hope the province will defect to me

 

[AurochsAway]

I've seen Catholic zealots spawn in Rome itself when the Papal States had lost Romagna. I assume the Papacy redundantly collapsed into Catholicism or something.

 

[justin6477]

The flag means they are friendly to you. They will not attack you. n case of patriots/nationalist it means they can give you provinces. I think its open for the papal stat to convert, but iam not sure about it.

Zealots can give you provinces as well.

As Russia, I once found out that I, in fact, did have warm water ports after Catholic Zealots on Cyprus gave me the province. If they can't break the country, they'll opt to joining a nation of their denomination... presumably the best one.

 

[delpiero1234]

Anyways,
Why do Catholic Zealots break out in the Papal State (the Papal State is Catholic) and why are these rebels loyal to me without me supporting them?

 

[Mailman9]

If they can't break the country, they'll opt to joining a nation of their denomination... presumably the best one.

I never thought about how the zealots choose their country. Is there a distance or rank formula? Does anyone know? As an Orthodox nation I would love to get the rebels Russia does around the Black Sea without spending money on supporting the rebels.

 

[wilcoxchar]

Anyways,
Why do you Catholic Zealots break out in the Papal State (the Papal State is Catholic) and why are these rebels loyal to me without me supporting them?

In this case, Catholic zealots are probably representative of rogue preachers like Savonarola.

 

[Nidhoegger]

It is still kind of weird. Normally, religious rebels appear only in provinces, where their religion is supprest by the state.

 

[grommile]

Anyways,
Why do Catholic Zealots break out in the Papal State (the Papal State is Catholic)

Some events cause state-religion zealots to spawn because you've annoyed the hard-line elements who want you to be nastier to heretics. Enforce/Accept Demands when facing state-religion zealots gives you a temporary boost to Missionary Strength and a temporary reduction in Heretic Tolerance.

and why are these rebels loyal to me without me supporting them?

Zealot rebels, when spawned, are always loyal to a country of their religion which is not the country they spawned in. The defection timer for zealots, it should be noted, is much longer than that for Patriots.

 

[Niels.p]

My guess is that they spawned via an event. The "Liberal backlash" event has two choices and one of the choices spawn zealots.

 

[delpiero1234]

Thanks for all the replies.
The province is still occupied by the Catholic zealots. The Papal State has no direct land connection to Romagna so I highly doubt that they will be able to take the province back.

 

[sigeena]

When the zealots enforce their demands, it usually force converts 1 province to their religion denomination.

And after they enforce their demands, they'll revert to their nation's armies; in this case the Pope's.

 

[delpiero1234]

When the zealots enforce their demands, it usually force converts 1 province to their religion denomination.

And after they enforce their demands, they'll revert to their nation's armies; in this case the Pope's.

Romagna is Catholic and was Catholic before the rebels broke out. The Reformation has not happened yet. So it would be silly if they would join the country they rebelled from.

 

[Korashy]

Zealots that defect will first try to defect to the largest same culture/same religion province that is not a vassal.

Example:

1. Rhodes is sieged by Orthodox rebels -> check if byzantium (same culture/religion) is a vassal - > no? -> join
2. Rhodes is sieged by Orthodox rebels -> check if byzantium (same culture/religion) is a vassal - > yes? -> check Trebizond -> check vassal status -> No? -> join

Now from my experience it gets a bit tricky. If both treb and byz exist and are vassals they will join BYZ because it's (probably) the bigger country.
If Neither BYZ nor Treb in our example exist, it will defect to an orthodox province, I'm assuming first within the culture group and then to anyone orthodox.

In the above example where Russia got Cyprus it is likely that there was simply no one within the greek culture group who was orthodox left, so it went to Russia.

 

[AngryEmpire]

Zealots that defect will first try to defect to the largest same culture/same religion province that is not a vassal.

Example:

1. Rhodes is sieged by Orthodox rebels -> check if byzantium (same culture/religion) is a vassal - > no? -> join
2. Rhodes is sieged by Orthodox rebels -> check if byzantium (same culture/religion) is a vassal - > yes? -> check Trebizond -> check vassal status -> No? -> join

Now from my experience it gets a bit tricky. If both treb and byz exist and are vassals they will join BYZ because it's (probably) the bigger country.
If Neither BYZ nor Treb in our example exist, it will defect to an orthodox province, I'm assuming first within the culture group and then to anyone orthodox.

In the above example where Russia got Cyprus it is likely that there was simply no one within the greek culture group who was orthodox left, so it went to Russia.

In my Ottoman game I had vasalized Byzantium and had annexed Trebizond, after supporting Greek patriots I was surprised to see that the provinces went to Georgia, and just assumed that because they were in the same culture group then that's the reason that they got the provinces.

 

[Korashy]

In my Ottoman game I had vasalized Byzantium and had annexed Trebizond, after supporting Greek patriots I was surprised to see that the provinces went to Georgia, and just assumed that because they were in the same culture group then that's the reason that they got the provinces.

I forgot about Georgia. Georgia will probably take precedence as it is a non vassal. Most of the time Georgia gets instant eaten by Qara or AQ or Crimea tho.