Can someone clarify all the requirements to become Protestant league leader?

[Fvoll]

Im attempting to become leader of the protestant league as Prussia, but no matter what I cant seem to figure out what I need to do. Im a protestant elector that is a great power, have more development than Bohemia, and also a larger and higher quality army. Both of us are at peace and do not have a truce with the emperor.

 

[LeKaiser]

This has never really been clearly explained or documented, I don't think. I find that the only reliable way you can take leadership from the current leader, when they're an elector, is when they become outright ineligible - for example if Bohemia goes to war, you will almost certainly become the league leader.

 

[atwix]

welcome to forum @Fvoll

it is one of those unknown things.

one note: when protestants win, the old catholic electors will also vote for new protestant emperor. This can lead to protestant leader from league war NOT being elected.

it can be tiresome to see the AI holding off from declaring the league war...

they really should change this, and allow any protestant elector or even member to declare the league war. Bit like coalition war mechanic.

@Trin Tragula will this shady mechanic of 'how to become protestant league leader' and 'only leader can fire the league war' be changed in any way in a future patch?

 

[Trin Tragula]

@Trin Tragula will this shady mechanic of 'how to become protestant league leader' and 'only leader can fire the league war' be changed in any way in a future patch?

Now that's a very broad question
I suggest writing up why you don't think it's working well now + how it might work instead in the suggestions forum and tagging @DDRJake

 

[atwix]

Now that's a very broad question
I suggest writing up why you don't think it's working well now + how it might work instead in the suggestions forum and tagging @DDRJake

not saying it isn't working well; the problem is that noone really knows how to become protestant league leader (aka, what triggers becoming protestant leader) and how to reliably become emperor after winning league war as protestant leader.

but, suggestion forum it is then

 

[thErgonomic]

not saying it isn't working well; the problem is that noone really knows how to become protestant league leader (aka, what triggers becoming protestant leader) and how to reliably become emperor after winning league war as protestant leader.

but, suggestion forum it is then

What's your opinion on implementing a short interregnum for the imperial throne after the league wars if the protestants win?

 

[atwix]

What's your opinion on implementing a short interregnum for the imperial throne after the league wars if the protestants win?

yeah, could work. But to be honest, they should simply BAR any catholic elector from voting when protestants win and chose new emperor.

Not saying protestant leader should always become new emperor though.

it is not easy to propose a fix for this.

 

[ecrurudesby]

If protestants win, the seven largest protestant princes should immediately become electors and then vote in the inaugural protestant emperor. Obviously if there are less than seven available then that's however many electors the new Empire has to start with.

 

[Rubidium]

If protestants win, the seven largest protestant princes should immediately become electors and then vote in the inaugural protestant emperor. Obviously if there are less than seven available then that's however many electors the new Empire has to start with.

I'd revise it to "the seven largest Protestant HRE members in the Protestant League." After all, they were the ones who fought and won the war.

 

[pikaemperor]

Why not force the non protestant electors to become protestant after a protestant victory?

 

[Fvoll]

UPDATE:

I tried declaring war on a german minor and calling Bohemia in so upon peace it would reset the leader. A month or two into the war the new leader (Sweden) declared the protestant league war. At first, I was excited. We absolutely crushed the catholic league, as in it wasnt even close. 5 years in we full occupy Burgundy and have 100% war score. Here my fears of an A.I. protestant leader came into play. For some reason I cannot comprehend, Swedens peace deal only forced Burgundy to release some minor nations and pay money, and the peace of Westphalia kicked in, completely ruining my objective of becoming leader of a HRE that could pass a reform. Sweden could certainly have taken protestant empire, but it did not. Why? In addition, the peace of westphalia disables the religious leagues, so I cannot start another league war or do ANYHTING to create protestant empire. I think my new goal is to just dismantle the HRE, because im tired of it not working in a logical sense.

 

[Van der Gent]

Why not force the non protestant electors to become protestant after a protestant victory?

Simply because that's not how it went down historically, I'd say.

 

[Gratak]

Simply because that's not how it went down historically, I'd say.

History is a bad reference because Peace of Westphalia happened, not one side winning...

 

[bbqftw]

Yes, I've had an AI Protestant League leader almost completely refuse to DOW into Austria + Poland + Denmark with Ottomans, Russia, and me (top 3 military strength Kilwa) on his side, Bohemia itself was pretty large was it was top 4 militaries in Europe vs a very weak Catholic league

Bizarrely, after I left they pulled the trigger, and it was a stomp for the protestants even without my intervention.

Its a bit ham-handed but it would cut down on frustration if human player had a weighted higher chance to be leader.

 

[sigeena]

UPDATE:

I tried declaring war on a german minor and calling Bohemia in so upon peace it would reset the leader. A month or two into the war the new leader (Sweden) declared the protestant league war. At first, I was excited. We absolutely crushed the catholic league, as in it wasnt even close. 5 years in we full occupy Burgundy and have 100% war score. Here my fears of an A.I. protestant leader came into play. For some reason I cannot comprehend, Swedens peace deal only forced Burgundy to release some minor nations and pay money, and the peace of Westphalia kicked in, completely ruining my objective of becoming leader of a HRE that could pass a reform. Sweden could certainly have taken protestant empire, but it did not. Why? In addition, the peace of westphalia disables the religious leagues, so I cannot start another league war or do ANYHTING to create protestant empire. I think my new goal is to just dismantle the HRE, because im tired of it not working in a logical sense.

The thing is due to the large number of alliances involved, it's very hard to impose Religious Supremacy. I had Call for Peace for more than 10 months, and was still unable to push for Religious Supremacy. Mainly due to War Enthusiasm and strength of alliances.

 

[Fvoll]

The thing is due to the large number of alliances involved, it's very hard to impose Religious Supremacy. I had Call for Peace for more than 10 months, and was still unable to push for Religious Supremacy. Mainly due to War Enthusiasm and strength of alliances.

The war was at 100% warscore though, surely there could be any peace deal that the leader wanted

 

[Rikissa]

I would prefer if the League Leader instantly became Emperor after winning the war

Like in the Sabaton song ("liberator, claim the throne")

Right now it's rather anticlimactic if some OPM becomes Emperor and you have to wait for your turn

 

[atwix]

suggestion posted.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...r-and-hre-emperor-on-a-league-war-win.988080/

 

[atwix]

I would prefer if the League Leader instantly became Emperor after winning the war

Like in the Sabaton song ("liberator, claim the throne")

Right now it's rather anticlimactic if some OPM becomes Emperor and you have to wait for your turn

if some HRE outsider is league leader when player is inside HRE, then this would be weird.

It isn't bad suggestion though.

 

[Ontos]

Bosnia become Emperor after the protestants won the League War. An OPM Protestant Bosnia surrounded by me (Ottomans).

I just attacked them and made them revoke an Imperial Reform. It was a bit weird, but tangentially related to this.