Can Poland into space?

[Skrylius]

It seems that you havent read the thread at all. It's not about making Poland easier to play, but discussion how to make AI play Poland better, because most of people see that after latest patches Poland (AI) is usually quickly wiped by other countries (Bohemia, Lithuania, Austria).

Even Mazovia trolls Poland with pure skill.Really.I have never seen Pommerania or Moldavia(Poles have mission to vassal them all)troll Poland so much..
Why not giving Mazovians a decision to form Poland once they capture Warsaw.That would increase probability of regional power Poland from 20% to 23%..

 

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Why not giving Mazovians a decision to form Poland once they capture Warsaw.

Considering that Mazovia IS Warsaw province when the game starts, it would be interesting to see two Polands

 

[unmerged(150720)]

Can Poland Into Space? :wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:
Just make GH and Lithuania weaker and thats pretty much it i would say. Maybe Bohemia should be more passive...

 

[Mehow_pwn]

Going back on topic, I'd like to see counter-arguments from historic or game balance standpoints to the following:

- Get rid of "Vassalize Moldavia", "Vassalize Pommerania" missions.
- Make Mazovia Polish vassal and ally and give Poland mission to "Integrate Mazovia into our country".
- Remove Lithuanian cores on Russian lands to reduce their power a bit.

With all those union would be way easier to maintain because Poland wouldn't mess with Bohemia and Hungary too early but instead focused on securing Danzig, vassalizing Teutons and integrating Mazovia which would allow to create a country strong enough to withstand clearly overpowered HRE a bit longer.

About HRE nerf, deserves its own thread but based on Paradox sales in Germany, I doubt historic argument can win them over. ;-)

Agree damm paradox...

 

[BiB]

Damm?

 

[naggy]

Damm?

Van Damm. Though Chuck Norris Paradox is better.

 

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Well, for me its quite justified that Novgorod doesn’t form Russia. Trade republic of Novgorod was everything that Mucovy (Russia was in fact expanded Muscovy) was not. Of course the nationality was the same, but they had completely different government system, completely different way of thinking of the state, attitude to the subjects ect. Btw by the order of one of Russian Tsars Novgorod (being already conquered) was destroyed.
Russia formed by Novgorod would be something absolutely different than Russia that we know from history. Anyway, if we assume that Russia can be formed by Novgorod, in my opinions there should be two different Russias (made by Novgorod and Muscovy), whit different sliders, decisions and missions.

I didn't say it was historical, I simply pointed out that it amused me to no end that although even in latest Httt beta Novgorod is an easier country to form Russia with (by far) for the player, somehow in said latest beta patch it'll never happen. It's Muscowy/whoever revolts from GH after conquering muscowy that forms Russia. Russia forms often, but it's never Novgorod, all I meant.

My more direct point was this: though they made AI Russia much more common successfully, buffing Poland probably won't produce the historical near conquering of Moscow by Poles very well. In my opinion, for precisely the same reason that the AI will not form Russia with Novgorod anymore... not because it needs buffed... the AI just sucks at certain things. Playing Poland seems to be one of them. Now since Poland actually did whup some arse historically within the EU3 time period, technically they should have almost as equal a shot at doing so as Russia has a chance of ever forming, I am pointing out simply that this isn't near the case. However, I really doubt buffing Poland is the answer... the weakness of AI is more to blame, the Novgorod reference is simply another example. They SHOULD be able to trounce AI Muscowy easily with trade revenue funded armies... but the AI just sucks at it. Poland doesn't even border anybody but Bohemia and should swallow Lithuania (or what is left when it collapses) even if the union is broken (and it will be pretty much always now) and still be plenty strong enough to stomp the GH afterwards... but it doesn't, because the AI really sucks at it, not because it isn't already easy enough.

 

[Sandam]

wait, wait, wait... where is the problem? poland disapears to often? why to often? because it historically didnt? maybe it should have disapeared in reality too, but was just lucky not to disapear? you cant just take historical events as they would happen at 100%...

why put the blame on lithuania? as if union was easy to maintain. it wasnt. to make it into personal union in game its not entirely right. lithuania had its own grand duke. which in EU3 game mechanics is impossible.

problem is not some countries but stupid AI.

if poland decides to subjugate mazovia and doesnt care about who guarantees them, and gets reduced to TPM.. who is here to blame? golden horde? bohemia? lithuania? or stupid polish AI?

 

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wait, wait, wait... where is the problem? poland disapears to often? why to often? because it historically didnt? maybe it should have disapeared in reality too, but was just lucky not to disapear? you cant just take historical events as they would happen at 100%...

why put the blame on lithuania? as if union was easy to maintain. it wasnt. to make it into personal union in game its not entirely right. lithuania had its own grand duke. which in EU3 game mechanics is impossible.

problem is not some countries but stupid AI.

if poland decides to subjugate mazovia and doesnt care about who guarantees them, and gets reduced to TPM.. who is here to blame? golden horde? bohemia? lithuania? or stupid polish AI?

I second the point. Exactly what I was also trying to say. Buffing Poland won't fix Poland being stupid.

 

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I second the point. Exactly what I was also trying to say. Buffing Poland won't fix Poland being stupid.

Can you read? Or do you randomly just go troll threads?

One of the major causes for Poland dying has been that it aggravates Bohemia in the early game with the "vassalize Mazovia" and "vassalize pommerannia" missions, prompting war with Bohemia. If Mazovia started as a Vassal and the Pommerannia mission was deleted, then it's likely that poland could stand on it's own too feat.

 

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Can you read? Or do you randomly just go troll threads?

One of the major causes for Poland dying has been that it aggravates Bohemia in the early game with the "vassalize Mazovia" and "vassalize pommerannia" missions, prompting war with Bohemia. If Mazovia started as a Vassal and the Pommerannia mission was deleted, then it's likely that poland could stand on it's own too feat.

The irony being that you just trolled my post? Without reading the content?

I really doubt that this would fix the issue, as evidenced by the fact that AI Poland in the latest beta usually DOES get Mazovia vassalized, but still dies a spectacular death. In fact, the first mission that pops is either a successful Mazovia grab (thanks to Lithuania's help... first mission, union still there), or to attack Moldavia (which is guaranteed by Hungary and makes Hungary pop like a zit).

Sure it'd help (by making Poland ALWAYS instead of usually) grabbing Mazovia, but... AI Poland is still rather dumb for all the reasons I have given. They will attack Bohemia straight away when Bohemia is in ANY war (even a really wussy HRE minor war... big AI fail), or TO while they are allied with no care for the consequences (utter squashing)... they will ally Lithuania even after the union dissolves, yet attack somebody the much bigger Lithuania is guaranteeing (instead of absorbing Lithuania when they inevitably implode) etc etc.

Still, even then... I said Poland didn't need buffed. Which has what to do with Mazovia being a vassal? Even assuming this was the magical fix...

 

[Shackel]

I don't think overpowering Poland is necessary.

 

[anomanderus]

I don't think overpowering Poland is necessary.

So is that before the polish only release something completely useless in the peace like ALL OF CRIMEA- ALL TWO PROVINCES!

 

[delra]

I don't think overpowering Poland is necessary.

In 20 years there won't be Poland in that game.

 

[tuore]

I must be very tired. I read the title correctly, but understood it as canning Poland. You know, like you can tuna in canneries. :wacko:

 

[anomanderus]

I must be very tired. I read the title correctly, but understood it as canning Poland. You know, like you can tuna in canneries. :wacko:

well, I laughed anyway.:rofl:

 

[Freebot]

Space Hussars, the most formidable fighting force in the Alpha Quadrant!

 

[Haze340]

In 20 years there won't be Poland in that game.

No one cares about Poland anyways.

also:

 

[delra]

BiB, one for you. ^^^

 

[unmerged(137776)]

I think I may start up a Poland game now...