Can Poland and Hungary be friends?

[Testeria]

Ok, so I wanted to play something different and tried to recreate poland-hungary against Austria and Ottos. I remembered I did it once or twice a long time ago.
I restarted like 12 times but it just does not seem possible in the current version.

Any ideas? It seems really strange that the game allows a polish-mamluks alliance but Hungary is always for Austria? Really artificial restriction.

 

[Arclath2]

Pole and Hungarian brothers be - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I will just leave this here.

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

Paradox has stated before that they really don't want a Hungaro-Polish hugbox against Russia and the Osmans, even though that is literally what happened every time the two nations were independent. Just grab a mod off the workshop that makes Hungary and Poland historical friends, and be on your way.

EU4's treatment of Hungary is really poor in general. The mission tree update with the ability to yoink Bohemia's electorate made it several times better, but generally, the country's development is just too low. It's really only accurate for a post-partition Hungary. Before the Turks pillaged the nation, Hungary was slightly above Poland in terms of development.
Culture setup is all weird as well. As flattering as it is having the slovaks in our culture groups, it's not accurate. And "Transylvanian" culture is not a thing. Sure, you could argue that it's necessary, in order to represent the chaotic mess that was the pretty much equal amounts of Hungarians, Vlachs and Saxons in the region, but then there's an event that flips it all to Romanian! Even the Székelys!

 

[Arclath2]

Paradox has stated before that they really don't want a Hungaro-Polish hugbox against Russia and the Osmans, even though that is literally what happened every time the two nations were independent. Just grab a mod off the workshop that makes Hungary and Poland historical friends, and be on your way.

Yeah, and yet they are perfectly content to leave the Ottomans in a position to dominate and rise to prominence, like they did historically.

OH THE ANVIL OF HYPOCRISY.

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

Yeah, and yet they are perfectly content to leave the Ottomans in a position to dominate and rise to prominence, like they did historically.

OH THE ANVIL OF HYPOCRISY.

Not that we need the handicap. The Osmans were/are strong enough both IRL and in-game.

I feel like Paradox gets an idea in their heads once, and then they never stray from that. Hungary was designated as a nation that gets progressively eaten up by its neighbours for "historical flavour", I guess.

We also don't have any marketable memes in our history that Paradox could turn into OP events, Like Skanderbeg or Vlad Tepes. We just get some Renaissance support (Which is both very good and historical, to be fair.), a few events about devastation, and a few events that don't make sense, or you won't even see unless you're horribly losing.

 

[makaramus]

I think they should be historical friends until ottomans reduced to 250 development. That doesn't mean they will be hostile just means they will not value each other that much and alliance can permenantly break

 

[Testeria]

Not that we need the handicap. The Osmans were/are strong enough both IRL and in-game.

I feel like Paradox gets an idea in their heads once, and then they never stray from that. Hungary was designated as a nation that gets progressively eaten up by its neighbours for "historical flavour", I guess.

We also don't have any marketable memes in our history that Paradox could turn into OP events, Like Skanderbeg or Vlad Tepes. We just get some Renaissance support (Which is both very good and historical, to be fair.), a few events about devastation, and a few events that don't make sense, or you won't even see unless you're horribly losing.

I understand it should be unlikely but it should be an option. For example, if Poland sever ties with Lithuania it would not be as OP to ally Hungary. Railroading things like this really feels strange in a game like EU4 where You can make horde Poland...

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

I think they should be historical friends until ottomans reduced to 250 development. That doesn't mean they will be hostile just means they will not value each other that much and alliance can permenantly break

Pointless. There's a common enemy in the HRE, and later Russia. The historical friendship should remain forever.

 

[gianlucad]

I guess this touches on the fact that alliances in the EU series have been more representative of modern day NATO than anything else

 

[Testeria]

I think they should be historical friends until ottomans reduced to 250 development. That doesn't mean they will be hostile just means they will not value each other that much and alliance can permenantly break

I believe they were some time ago - but then it was too easy to get them from Austria and make Poland-Lithuania-Hungary monster.

 

[makaramus]

We also don't have any marketable memes in our history that Paradox could turn into OP events, Like Skanderbeg or Vlad Tepes.

I wish Tepes event was better but mr Dracula is just a 1 0 5 with a negative trait -_-

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

I understand it should be unlikely but it should be an option. For example, if Poland sever ties with Lithuania it would not be as OP to ally Hungary. Railroading things like this really feels strange in a game like EU4 where You can make horde Poland...

Generally speaking, the two nations' attitudes towards each other in terms of foreign policy was perpetual non-aggression, rather than active defencive alliances. Sadly, EU4 can't model that.

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

I wish Tepes event was better but mr Dracula is just a 1 0 5 with a negative trait -_-

He gets to kill the Osman sultan over and over, completely destroying their stability. I'd say that's way more important than having a 6/6/6 for one lifetime.

 

[makaramus]

He gets to kill the Osman sultan over and over, completely destroying their stability. I'd say that's way more important than having a 6/6/6 for one lifetime.

thats not the event I am talking about.

 

[st360]

Yeah, and yet they are perfectly content to leave the Ottomans in a position to dominate and rise to prominence, like they did historically.

OH THE ANVIL OF HYPOCRISY.

Well, they are guaranteed 3/3/3+ rulers and invade the Mamluks 50 years earlier and conquer the Russian steppes, while not expanding into north Africa. So its more like letting them dominate ahistoricaly.

 

[Testeria]

Not sure why devs hated polish-hungarian PU or alliance so much. Maybe it is time to again give it a chance? I will write a suggestion.