can orthodox eastern nations become emperor of Hre?

[atwix]

I just vassalised an elector as Yaroslavl (eastern orthodox) and the elector tooltip says "-1000 not eglible to be elected emperor"

Is there any reason behind this? Did they change the mechanic?

Am i missing something here? I just vassalised and too province from palatinate with the goal to ally France (they will accept RM faster cause i got province close to them now! ) Since i gotta decide to focus on electors or dismantle HRE, i'd like to know if they chaged mechanic. Thx for the help!

 

[bisthebis]

have you bought AoW ?
If yes, I guess you should wait for Thirty Years war and hope for westphalian peace, which allows every confession.

 

[grommile]

Under the 1.8 rules:

• At game start, only Catholics can hold the Imperial throne.
• After the Reformation begins, Protestant rulers can start a League opposed to Catholic control of the Empire. Once this happens, other rulers (of any religion) whose capitals are in Europe can align with whichever side best suits their own interests.
• If the Protestant League defeats the Emperor, Protestantism replaces Catholicism as the official religion of the Empire and only Protestant rulers can be elected.
• If the Protestant League signs a white peace with the Emperor, the denominational restriction on the Imperial crown is removed and any (European) Christian ruler can be elected Emperor.
• If the Emperor defeats the Protestant League, the status quo (Catholics only) is preserved.

 

[atwix]

interesting. But, if the protestants win, can i actually become emperor? It just says there that i can choose a side.. Westphalian peace allows me to become emperor then?

Confusing change

 

[atwix]

also, i was wondering, if i move my capital to that province i took of the palatinate, would i become a hre prince (since my capital is in HRE) ? now that would be weird

 

[Fallout1986]

IIRC you cannot move your Capital into the HRE to become a Prince. Also you cannot move it to outside the HRE if you are a Prince

 

[oblio-]

Under the 1.8 rules:

• At game start, only Catholics can hold the Imperial throne.
• After the Reformation begins, Protestant rulers can start a League opposed to Catholic control of the Empire. Once this happens, other rulers (of any religion) whose capitals are in Europe can align with whichever side best suits their own interests.
• If the Protestant League defeats the Emperor, Protestantism replaces Catholicism as the official religion of the Empire and only Protestant rulers can be elected.
• If the Protestant League signs a white peace with the Emperor, the denominational restriction on the Imperial crown is removed and any (European) Christian ruler can be elected Emperor.
• If the Emperor defeats the Protestant League, the status quo (Catholics only) is preserved.

I hadn't thought about this - but I think this means that without AoW you cannot be HR Emperor as anything non-Catholic. Or are these mechanics part of the patch?

 

[grommile]

also, i was wondering, if i move my capital to that province i took of the palatinate, would i become a hre prince (since my capital is in HRE) ? now that would be weird

You can't move your capital to an HRE province unless your current capital is also an HRE province.

 

[atwix]

ok thanks. I still wonder if i can become emperor after westphalen peace (Whole HRE seems to convert to anything but catholic).

 

[uishax]

Under the 1.8 rules:

• At game start, only Catholics can hold the Imperial throne.
• After the Reformation begins, Protestant rulers can start a League opposed to Catholic control of the Empire. Once this happens, other rulers (of any religion) whose capitals are in Europe can align with whichever side best suits their own interests.
• If the Protestant League defeats the Emperor, Protestantism replaces Catholicism as the official religion of the Empire and only Protestant rulers can be elected.
• If the Protestant League signs a white peace with the Emperor, the denominational restriction on the Imperial crown is removed and any (European) Christian ruler can be elected Emperor.
• If the Emperor defeats the Protestant League, the status quo (Catholics only) is preserved.

The last one is incorrect, if the emperor defeats the lague, then Catholic domination occurs, where only catholics can be electors, a permanent state that cannot be changed by further wars.

 

[Ricox]

Pretty sure the Westphalia peace allows only catholic and protestant. But I can be wrong, but I've not seen reformed presence among electors or Emperor from my so far large playing time with the new expansion.

The last one is incorrect, if the emperor defeats the lague, then Catholic domination occurs, where only catholics can be electors, a permanent state that cannot be changed by further wars.

That's the status quo. Protestants can't get on the throne or become electors before either winning the league war or white peacing it (I think that war repatriations etc. also count, I think, at least I don't recall in my last league war that Austria white peaced, the warscore was 44%, and the Westphalia triggered, which confused me.

 

[Novacat]

Peace of Westphalia allows all Christian denominations, but non Protestant/Catholic denominations are rare in the HRE in general.

That's the status quo. Protestants can't get on the throne or become electors before either winning the league war or white peacing it (I think that war repatriations etc. also count, I think, at least I don't recall in my last league war that Austria white peaced, the warscore was 44%, and the Westphalia triggered, which confused me.

They can become electors but cannot become emperor. Infact the league wars mechanics start when an elector becomes protestant.

 

[atwix]

Peace of Westphalia allows all Christian denominations, but non Protestant/Catholic denominations are rare in the HRE in general.
They can become electors but cannot become emperor. Infact the league wars mechanics start when an elector becomes protestant.

Heh, how do you know? Just curious.

 

[blackchoas]

Serious question how good is the computer at enforcing Religious Dominance because in the game I played despite Austria slowly crushing members of the league and forcing them out he ended signing for just a few provinces and released nations but this might be because England was the War Leader and no one could actually get to England

Realistically speaking does the computer push for Religious Dominance or do they commonly end the war for less even if they are clearly winning

 

[Novacat]

Heh, how do you know? Just curious.

Devs stated multiple times. Given, I have been holding off an AoW playthrough until theres a DLC sale.

 

[Denkt]

It can be rather tricky because as Orthodox you wont be the war leader and you don't wan't either side to win.

 

[atwix]

It can be rather tricky because as Orthodox you wont be the war leader and you don't wan't either side to win.

there goes my ambition to become emperor for now. Oh well. I allied France instead!

 

[Denkt]

Well at diplo tech level 22 you can make your own HRE as an clinte state.

 

[bisthebis]

I hadn't thought about this - but I think this means that without AoW you cannot be HR Emperor as anything non-Catholic. Or are these mechanics part of the patch?

I guess that without AoW it would as it has always been : everyone can become emperor

 

[durvas]

Is the only way to ensure a Westphalian Peace to become leader of the Protestants yourself then choose a white peace with the emperor?