Can Jerusalem get Cardinals in 1.14?

[kviiri]

One of the little thing that have been bugging me with Knights/Cyprus --> Jerusalem is that Jerusalem is outside Europe and thus can't get cardinals without expanding back into Europe. And it's the only formable that actually requires Catholicism, which makes it rather silly. Could this Cardinal limitation be gone in 1.14, pretty please?

 

[Denkt]

Everyone that follows the catholic faith should be able to get cardinals as not getting them make catholic alot weaker for many countries.

 

[Wizzington]

Not at the moment, but it's something I plan to look at.

 

[Me_]

Not at the moment, but it's something I plan to look at.

If you want to avoid colonial nations flooding the curia, perhaps you could make it so only independent nations from outside Europe can get cardinals.

 

[Denkt]

That would work but what do not work is to cut majority of the world provinces from getting cardinals. Protestant and Reformed don't have any such limitations.

 

[kviiri]

Not at the moment, but it's something I plan to look at.

Thanks Wiz, you da man.

 

[MrParadux]

It is actually possible to create a cardinal in any province regardless where they are located using events/decisions. As a workaround it is possible to create random events using the add_cardinal = yes command for provinces and define the condition in the according events

 

[MiniaAr]

I agree with this, Jerusalem should be able to get Cardinal.

With the new area/region/super-region mechanism, I would even argue that regions in the Mediterranean should get cardinals if converted to catholicism. Basically, regions on the South of this map should get the ability to spawn cardinals. During the game period, those dioceses still existed on paper.

 

[DCyDe]

We have to look at this from a gameplay and not a historic perspective foremost, so changing it that only independent nations can spawn cardinals would prevent the colonials flooding the curia and give catholic nations outside of Europe a reason to stay catholic.

 

[Lord_P]

We have to look at this from a gameplay and not a historic perspective foremost, so changing it that only independent nations can spawn cardinals would prevent the colonials flooding the curia and give catholic nations outside of Europe a reason to stay catholic.

Holy Roman Emperor Curia Controller Kongo?

 

[Kapitalisti]

I agree with this, Jerusalem should be able to get Cardinal.

With the new area/region/super-region mechanism, I would even argue that regions in the Mediterranean should get cardinals if converted to catholicism. Basically, regions on the South of this map should get the ability to spawn cardinals. During the game period, those dioceses still existed on paper.

That's a nice map and all but has no bearing on the game. Or should the Germans or Scandinavians not get cardinals? And even if you're in Asia or Africa why shouldn't you get cardinals if you're Catholic?

 

[kviiri]

That's a nice map and all but has no bearing on the game. Or should the Germans or Scandinavians not get cardinals? And even if you're in Asia or Africa why shouldn't you get cardinals if you're Catholic?

I think the point was that those dioceses were still considered to exist, not that they were exclusively the only existing ones.

 

[DCyDe]

Holy Roman Emperor Curia Controller Kongo?

why not?

 

[MiniaAr]

That's a nice map and all but has no bearing on the game. Or should the Germans or Scandinavians not get cardinals? And even if you're in Asia or Africa why shouldn't you get cardinals if you're Catholic?

That's why I mentionned areas "South of the map". Of course, regions that already have cardinals outside of the map should keep them. I was arguing that countries on the South of the map have an historical "right" to get cardinals, if they're catholic.

For other regions in Asia and Africa, it's more a gameplay argument. I'm not opposed actually. But my point was that the Mediterranean bassin should have gotten cardinals a long time ago.

 

[Lord_P]

why not?

Truly, why not? The Kongolese cardinals shall work tirelessly to make sure Africans won't be oppressed in church politics.

 

[kviiri]

Cardinals and even Popes from the Holy Land were pretty normal before Jerusalem was lost to the Muslims. It only makes sense for them to become normal once Jerusalem is taken back.

 

[Xaster]

We have to look at this from a gameplay and not a historic perspective foremost, so changing it that only independent nations can spawn cardinals would prevent the colonials flooding the curia and give catholic nations outside of Europe a reason to stay catholic.

You are right, but maybe it would be better to change it only for colonial non indipendent nations. because european vassals should be able to have cardinals, just like colonial indipendent nations.

 

[sesn]

The low development of Kongo and American provinces might take care of thr risk of to much cardinals from there. Regarding the case of a sub-saharan or indigenic pope, make chances (or the cost to increase them) for control of the holy see just be modified by tech group. Or maybe a quadratic function for distance from Rome. The only silly thing I can think of happening then is a westernized american tribe that developed alot becomming papal controler. But this seems so unlikely, if it actually happend, I would think it's pretty cool.

 

[Lamahorse]

I'd love for there to be more Crusader states in the Middle East.

If someone restored the Kingdom of Jerusalem, who isn't to say that a Kingdom of Egypt or the Syrian State-lets were to follow?

 

[Sousuke123]

I'd love for there to be more Crusader states in the Middle East.

If someone restored the Kingdom of Jerusalem, who isn't to say that a Kingdom of Egypt or the Syrian State-lets were to follow?

I'd vote only for Principality of Antioch, County of Tripoli and County of Edessa since they're the only historical states at that time.