Can I bomb MP?

[JRHINDO]

The allies were experts in murdering civilians.

No, expert at murdering MPs.

Yea but a part of MP is civilians right? Or is it only soldiers? If its only soldiers then i guess it would be fine.

No, Moscow has 7 MPs and its not Million People. Pdox says theres no civilians ingame, so we should be able to kill MP as much as we want!
(And you terror bomb your MPs when you bomb soldiers or factories full of people anyway...)

 

[Otacon]

MP of course means "Military Personnel"! So we are not killing civilians.. at all. A nuke at Moscow only reduces its ability to produce Military Personnel and ressources. It doesn't affect the general population at all!

 

[Fulmen]

How many 'real life' deaths would that have been?

At least since HoI2 (probably since HoI1), 1 MP has always equaled a thousand men. So 25MP = 25 000 men.

 

[Pepsi_max]

MP of course means "Military Personnel"! So we are not killing civilians.. at all. A nuke at Moscow only reduces its ability to produce Military Personnel and ressources. It doesn't affect the general population at all!

In Hoi2 MP is not your total population and absolutely not civilians.
In HOI2 MP is "how much my military capacity in mens grow each day/month/year ?"

Consider that,with the nuke, there is no civilian deaths. But consider that womens gets pregnant harder than in a normal situation, or that the destruction or the land is so high that it lowers the number of troops you could possibly rise there.

 

[Fulmen]

MP = Manpower. In PI game terms this only represents the amount of men fit and available for military duty/employment in a country. Obviously nuking a province will have an effect on how many men fit for military its civilian population is able to generate.

It doesn't make much sense with the "no terror bombing" rule but Pdox's rules have always contradicted with themselves, so this is no exception. For instance we can target certain ethnicities and races with events/decisions in CK, EU3, Vicky 2 etc...

 

[JRHINDO]

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Consider that,with the nuke, there is no civilian deaths. But consider that womens gets pregnant harder than in a normal situation, or that the destruction or the land is so high that it lowers the number of troops you could possibly rise there.

In my mind I imagine a fallout like world, where radiation dont kill but mutate people so your population dont die but transforms in mutants! Thats why you dont get MPs anymore!! They are filthy mutants! :laugh:

 

[deoved]

In my mind I imagine a fallout like world, where radiation dont kill but mutate people so your population dont die but transforms in mutants! Thats why you dont get MPs anymore!! They are filthy mutants! :laugh:

Why? They maybe mutant ubermenshes, like fallouts supermutants. I want them in my army! :angry:

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

The allies were experts in murdering civilians.

Did you not notice the 'MP'? And this link really does apply to your comment:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ror-bombing-concentration-camps-amp-swastikas!

Why? They maybe mutant ubermenshes, like fallouts supermutants. I want them in my army! :angry:

:laugh:

 

[Eugenioso]

to OP: good luck with wiping out all of china's manpower. they have more MP income than you when they start the game, and they start almost fully demobilized. forget it. you wont do it.

 

[TremblingBlue]

Strategic bombing resulting in the loss of MP is basically terror bombing. MP is basically people eligible for service, and they're obviously part of the general population.

 

[am300307]

Strategic bombing resulting in the loss of MP is basically terror bombing. MP is basically people eligible for service, and they're obviously part of the general population.

Very true but soldiers/tanks/planes/ships are all apart of the general population and you can destroy them. My problem is why is it okay to destroy MP with nukes but not airplanes? Maybe strategic attacks should give dissent. Would make air force more important (which was important in ww2).

 

[TremblingBlue]

well, the military isn't the general population, it's apart from it. basically, you can't commit war crimes (apart from waging a war of aggression and a few highly consequential events like Nanjing etc.). It's really just avoiding bad taste.

 

[JRHINDO]

There is no "general population" because there is no civilians in game, MPs are soldiers and we are allowed to slaughter MPs.
We can mass slaughter troops with tac and cas planes, why cant we slaughter them with strat planes directly from the source?

well, the military isn't the general population, it's apart from it. basically, you can't commit war crimes (apart from waging a war of aggression and a few highly consequential events like Nanjing etc.). It's really just avoiding bad taste.

I guess to carpet nuke someone is good taste? How is this more morally "tasty"?

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

I guess to carpet nuke someone is good taste? How is this more morally "tasty"?

Nom nom nom, tasty MPs.
I don't get why the Nanking Massacre is even in the game when PI has such strict rules on war crimes.

 

[JRHINDO]

I don't get why the Nanking Massacre is even in the game when PI has such strict rules on war crimes.

This. Theres also racism/discrimination and chemical weapons in Victoria 1.

 

[Dutchemperor]

This. Theres also racism/discrimination and chemical weapons in Victoria 1.

But that is the 19th century.

 

[TremblingBlue]

There is no "general population" because there is no civilians in game, MPs are soldiers and we are allowed to slaughter MPs.
We can mass slaughter troops with tac and cas planes, why cant we slaughter them with strat planes directly from the source?

I guess to carpet nuke someone is good taste? How is this more morally "tasty"?

Well, I'd say it's pretty distasteful to recreate the mass bombing of cities during the war. There's no evidence to say that it really had much of a positive effect at all for any cause.
Nuclear weapons are probably included because they were instrumental in Japanese surrender, they're there because they need to be. Any other use is simply ahistorical.

Nom nom nom, tasty MPs.
I don't get why the Nanking Massacre is even in the game when PI has such strict rules on war crimes.

It's there because it was a turning point in the international opinion of Japan's attack on China. I'm pretty sure it's one of the things that led to the US/Allied trade embargo. The description doesn't go into detail of what actually went on (though I think it should).

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Nuclear weapons are probably included because they were instrumental in Japanese surrender...

There's no evidence to say that it really had much of a positive effect at all for any cause.

 

[JRHINDO]

But that is the 19th century.

WW1 is not in 19th century.

 

[makif130289]

I think reducing MP with strategic bombing similar to they do resources and factories would be very good addition. Please let's not discuss terror bombings, massacres and other similar things here. Let's keep our wish clear and within forum rules : We want the ability to reduce MP with Strat. bombing mission or with new mission type. ( Like Strat. bombing 2 )