calibrating the monarch

[niceta]

It's a secundary thread but...
In the XV cent we have nations with the same monarch: HUN & POL, POL & BOE, AUS e STY, LIT & POL usw usw
but the begin and the DEATH date was'nt always the same.
I play as POL and fight (another thread - this shouldn't be possible) against HUN. My king is Alexander I and HUN Ulaszlo II (my former ruler Wladislaw II).
to me should be change the born date and death date of some monarch.

 

[Raczynski]

It's a secundary thread but...
In the XV cent we have nations with the same monarch: HUN & POL, POL & BOE, AUS e STY, LIT & POL usw usw
but the begin and the DEATH date was'nt always the same.
I play as POL and fight (another thread - this shouldn't be possible) against HUN. My king is Alexander I and HUN Ulaszlo II (my former ruler Wladislaw II).
to me should be change the born date and death date of some monarch.

You're wrong. Ulaszlo (Wladyslaw) II of Hungary was brother of Aleksander I, Jan Olbracht and Zygmunt I of Poland.
Wladyslaw II Jagiello of Poland was their grandfather.
And BTW relations between brothers weren't warm all the time - Jan and Wladyslaw/Ulaszlo competed for Hungarian crown.

 

[niceta]

You're wrong. Ulaszlo (Wladyslaw) II of Hungary was brother of Aleksander I, Jan Olbracht and Zygmunt I of Poland.
Wladyslaw II Jagiello of Poland was their grandfather.
And BTW relations between brothers weren't warm all the time - Jan and Wladyslaw/Ulaszlo competed for Hungarian crown.

Ok yes but my opinion was: if a king is dead for HUN why the same king is still alive for BOE or POL?
cause i haven't the game here i tried to remember the names of the Kings...
For example Alexander I and Alexandrias (LIT) have different begin and end...
thi is the focus of the thread.
But i have a king as Hero in the game when this king was dead from years. (i don't remeber if WLad II or Vald III or Jan Olbracht).

 

[Norrefeldt]

Either the ruler wasn't elected or coronated on the same day in both lands, or there's an error. I suspect there are some actual mistakes, but they need to be confirmed for each case.

 

[niceta]

Either the ruler wasn't elected or coronated on the same day in both lands, or there's an error. I suspect there are some actual mistakes, but they need to be confirmed for each case.

Ok if i find some info about european monarch i'll post here (cronology or similar)

 

[niceta]

Lithuanian
1382-1392 Jogaila
1392-1430 Vytautas the Great
1430-1432 Svitrigaila
1432-1440 Zygimantas Kestutaitis
1440-1492 Kazimieras Jogailaitis
1492-1506 Aleksandras
1506-1548 Zygimantas Senasis
1548-1572 Zygimantas Augustas


Poland

Jagiellonian Dynasty

Dynastia Jagiellonów (1386–1572)

1386 to 1434 Vladislaus II Jagiełło

1434 to 1444 Vladislaus III of Varna

1447 to 1492 Casimir IV the Jagiellonian

1492 to 1501 John I Olbracht

1501 to 1506 Alexander the Jagiellonian

1506 to 1548 Sigismund I the Old

1548 to 1572 Sigismund II Augustus


Hungary

House of Luxemburg Sigismund (Zsigmond) 1387-1437

Habsburg Albert 1437-1439

Interregnum

Jagiellon Ulászló I 1440-1444

Habsburg

Ladislaus V Posthumus 1444-1457

Matthias Corvinus the Just (Igazságos Mátyás) 1458-1490

Jagiellon :Ulászló II 1490-1516

Jagiellon :Louis II 1516-1526

BOHEMIA

Wenceslaus IV (1378-1419)
Sigismund (1419-1420)
interregnum (Hussite Wars) (1420-1436)
Sigismund (1436-1437)

Habsburg dynasty
Albert of Habsburg (1437-1439), Habsburg
Ladislaus I Posthumus (1453-1457), Habsburg

Non-dynastic
George of Podebrady (1458-1471)
in Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia: Matthias Corvinus (1469-1490) ruled as antiking, was crowned "King of Bohemia"

Jagiellon dynasty
Ladislaus II (1471-1516)
Louis (1516-1526)

 

[rybka]

Lithuanian
1382-1392 Jogaila
1392-1430 Vytautas the Great
1430-1432 Svitrigaila
1432-1440 Zygimantas Kestutaitis
1440-1492 Kazimieras Jogailaitis
1492-1506 Aleksandras
1506-1548 Zygimantas Senasis
1548-1572 Zygimantas Augustas


Poland

Jagiellonian Dynasty

Dynastia Jagiellonów (1386–1572)

1386 to 1434 Vladislaus II Jagiełło

1434 to 1444 Vladislaus III of Varna

1447 to 1492 Casimir IV the Jagiellonian

1492 to 1501 John I Olbracht

1501 to 1506 Alexander the Jagiellonian

1506 to 1548 Sigismund I the Old

1548 to 1572 Sigismund II Augustus


Hungary

House of Luxemburg Sigismund (Zsigmond) 1387-1437

Habsburg Albert 1437-1439

Interregnum

Jagiellon Ulászló I 1440-1444

Habsburg

Ladislaus V Posthumus 1444-1457

Matthias Corvinus the Just (Igazságos Mátyás) 1458-1490

Jagiellon :Ulászló II 1490-1516

Jagiellon :Louis II 1516-1526

BOHEMIA

Wenceslaus IV (1378-1419)
Sigismund (1419-1420)
interregnum (Hussite Wars) (1420-1436)
Sigismund (1436-1437)

Habsburg dynasty
Albert of Habsburg (1437-1439), Habsburg
Ladislaus I Posthumus (1453-1457), Habsburg

Non-dynastic
George of Podebrady (1458-1471)
in Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia: Matthias Corvinus (1469-1490) ruled as antiking, was crowned "King of Bohemia"

Jagiellon dynasty
Ladislaus II (1471-1516)
Louis (1516-1526)

and how is it in game, is it different?

 

[niceta]

as i said previously yes.
But one of those evening i'll check in the files of my game

 

[Raczynski]

Ok yes but my opinion was: if a king is dead for HUN why the same king is still alive for BOE or POL?
cause i haven't the game here i tried to remember the names of the Kings...
For example Alexander I and Alexandrias (LIT) have different begin and end...
thi is the focus of the thread.
But i have a king as Hero in the game when this king was dead from years. (i don't remeber if WLad II or Vald III or Jan Olbracht).

Niceta sorry, but you're just wrong. Aleksander is a king of Poland 1501-1506 and Duke of Lithuania 1492-1506 because, well, he was. It's historical - till 1501 Poland was ruled by his brother Jan Olbracht.
Also, the're to leaders in game that bear name of Wladyslaw - Wladyslaw II Jagiello (1420-1434, should be 1386-1434 BTW) and Wladyslaw III (1439-1444). It might have confused you.
The only real error I see that Kazimierz IV is king since 1444, while he hasn't accepted the crown and stayed in Lithuania till 1447/1448.
I would suggest to make "Cardinal Zbigniew Olesnicki (regent)" a monarch for the period of 1444-1447.

 

[Raczynski]

and how is it in game, is it different?

No it's not, and I don't know why niceta is insisting that it is :wacko:

 

[niceta]

Niceta sorry, but you're just wrong. Aleksander is a king of Poland 1501-1506 and Duke of Lithuania 1492-1506 because, well, he was. It's historical - till 1501 Poland was ruled by his brother Jan Olbracht.
Also, the're to leaders in game that bear name of Wladyslaw - Wladyslaw II Jagiello (1420-1434, should be 1386-1434 BTW) and Wladyslaw III (1439-1444). It might have confused you.
The only real error I see that Kazimierz IV is king since 1444, while he hasn't accepted the crown and stayed in Lithuania till 1447/1448.
I would suggest to make "Cardinal Zbigniew Olesnicki (regent)" a monarch for the period of 1444-1447.

oK this solve the doubt i had about Alexandrias. It'seemed to me strange but you cleared.
can you confirm that the lists of the kings four countries (i took'em from internet wikipedia) are the same in the game? With the exeption you said.
It should be check in the monarch file

 

[Raczynski]

oK this solve the doubt i had about Alexandrias. It'seemed to me strange but you cleared.
can you confirm that the lists of the kings four countries (i took'em from internet wikipedia) are the same in the game? With the exeption you said.
It should be check in the monarch file

Yes, they're alright.
I saw only one problem: Mikholai Knishtov (or however his name's spelled) from fantasy Radziwill dynasty should be made dormant, as now he unhistorically replaces Jagiellonian king in 1540's.

 

[niceta]

Yes, they're alright.
I saw only one problem: Mikholai Knishtov (or however his name's spelled) from fantasy Radziwill dynasty should be made dormant, as now he unhistorically replaces Jagiellonian king in 1540's.

Good i made a mistake
The case is over