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On Portugal joining the war, I think the possibility of Portugal ever really allying with Germany was pretty slim. Not only would the foreseable cutting off of sea trade and communication with the Atlantic islands and colonies be disastrous to Portugal, but Salazar was an anglophile at heart (and he thought Hitler was an idiotic showoff). He did try to secure Portugal's interests, but always leaned to the British side. The best way there was of getting him to budge on something, the brits found, was to appeal to the Old Alliance between Portugal and England.

About the oil and diamonds in Angola, I don't know how much they were explored in the period. I think the oil was completely unexplored (I think it's all offshore drilling). I don't know about the diamonds. Portugal does get a nice boost from what I think is completely imaginary rubber in Moçambique, anyway (and the portuguese economy is a bit too big, which helps explain why it's impossible to maintain it with Portugal's resources).

I thought about adding events for the dutch and australian occupation of Timor and the subsequent conquest by Japan, but when I was working on the portuguese events Japan never moved in on the Dutch East Indies, and it would've been silly to setup events and trigger checks for something that had no chance of happening. Japan should never get East Timor without occupying the neighbouring dutch islands. If the dutch and aussies hadn't moved in (without portuguese permission), it would actually have been unlikely that the japanese would've attacked the portuguese half of the island.

I don't know if you've seen the events for Portugal included in CORE. Going from memory, those are:
- the 1936 warship mutiny;
- assassination attempt on Salazar;
- portuguese intervention on the SCW (maybe there should be a followup event about the "military observation mission");
- the Iberian Pact (pity you can't create other alliances, allying Portugal and NatSpain would keep them out of the Axis);
- the anti-comintern pact;
- british support for portuguese rearmament;
- the "Mundo Português" exhibition;
- tungsten trade (three instances, IIRC, roughly valued at what the real contracts were worth, AFAIK);
- the allied bases in Açores (I didn't write these);
- the embargo on Germany (was declared around the time of Overlord, but...)
 

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Ghost_dk said:
As it is I think East Timor starts as australian so there may be basis for an event still if we give it to portugal from the beginning and then have the allies take control in 41.

It starts as portuguese, unless someone's been tampering with files.

The sequence of events was something like:
- dutch and aussies think East Timor is of strategic importance and being threatened by the japanese, and decide the portuguese defense isn't up to scratch, so they move forces in without asking for permission;
- the japanese attack the allied forces there and occupy the island. Portuguese authorities imprisoned;
- Portugal actually makes plans to, and tries to convince the allies to help in, move forces from Moçambique to retake it; vehemently protests somewhere or other;
- When negotiating to allow the USA to use bases in the Açores, Portugal makes the americans promise that any operation to remove the japanese from East Timor would include portuguese forces; having no plans to attack the japanese there, the amis agree;
- the japanese occupation forces finally surrender and are moved out, well after the japanese general capitulation.
 

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Salazar said:
What about Oil in Angola? Angola is very rich in oil and diamonds..

Angola's oil is enitrely in deepwater offshore oil deposits. We are just now developing the technology to make those fields financially viable. As far as I know, Angola doesn't have any oil reserves that were located on land. Their oil industry is relatively new.

As for diamonds, I don't know if the significant diamond reserves extend that far north. This was a country whose economy was so bad they appealed to Cuba for military protection. Namibia (Southwest Africa) has significant diamond and other stratigic mineral reserves.

On an off topic, there is a really neat ship whose sole job is to dredge diamonds in the deepwater off the mouth of the river Orange. Completely out of the timespan of WW2, but an interesting Google search if are into weird industries. MDow
 

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Gwalcmai said:
It starts as portuguese, unless someone's been tampering with files.

The sequence of events was something like:
- dutch and aussies think East Timor is of strategic importance and being threatened by the japanese, and decide the portuguese defense isn't up to scratch, so they move forces in without asking for permission;
- the japanese attack the allied forces there and occupy the island. Portuguese authorities imprisoned;
- Portugal actually makes plans to, and tries to convince the allies to help in, move forces from Moçambique to retake it; vehemently protests somewhere or other;
- When negotiating to allow the USA to use bases in the Açores, Portugal makes the americans promise that any operation to remove the japanese from East Timor would include portuguese forces; having no plans to attack the japanese there, the amis agree;
- the japanese occupation forces finally surrender and are moved out, well after the japanese general capitulation.

Thanx for clarifying Gwalcmai I will make the event so that Australia gets east timor i west timor is occupied by Japan. I know it wont trigger often but then again those events that you dont see every game make it the more interesting.

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MDow, seen as UNITA funded most of their efforts with diamonds I think the deposits must have some significance. It's no Kimberley, but there be diamonds. What I don't know is if they were being mined back then.

EDIT: found a site that estimates $4 bn US worth of diamonds were extracted there in the 1990s. Considering the Huambo area was a war zone, that doesn't sound too bad...

EDIT 2 : another site states oil exploration in Cabinda started in 1968

EDIT 3 : yet another site. This one states that Diamang, the company that was supposed to explore the diamond mines in Angola, was created in 1917. Now to try to find if they actually produced anything. :D

Might as well edit this a 4th time : If you know french, this is a nice site on Angola: http://www.aidtransparency.org/english/trenteans/mauritaniedev.htm
 
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I don't know if this is a bug or if it's WAD but there's a problem with Vichy.

I've been playing as Russia and when Vichy was declared there were Free French left in southeastern France. They took over a couple of provinces down there and the AI basically ignored them for a while.

The problem is that the allies are sending tons of units there and building up a large force which the AI can't seem to deal with properly. That causes a problem of a German lack of resources available on the eastern front and makes playing the USSR too easy.

I was wondering if there is a way to make sure that no French forces are left inside Vichy after it's declared.
 

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Vichy's capital and puppet-less state

It seems that Vichy is no longer made a puppet of Germany in contrast to what the event says ("Set up French Puppet Government in Vichy"). The make_puppet command has seemingly been removed from event 2022 in comparison with vanilla 1.06. This has a few not so nice consequences:
  • no resources from Vichy
  • no view of Vichy territory (so the allies can sneek in more unopposed)
Overall less incentive for the Germany player to vichy France. I'm currently thinking of DOWing them since I, as Germany, have nothing to loose by that.

Also Vichy setup doesn't seem to work correctly anymore. I now have a Vichy with capital in Algiers (see picture), probably because during 'founding' of the Vichy state the Vichy province was still German-occupied and only returned by event 2022 a few days later. This of course will play complete Havoc with Vichy force setup (currently they are probably all in Norther Africa) and allows easy landings in SE France for the Allies.
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Vichy strangenesses

WoMOS said:
I now have a Vichy with capital in Algiers

The reason for this seems to be that the Vichy province (915) is shown as controlled in the savegame but neither as owned nor as national province. When clicking on it in the diplomatic map mode one gets the diplomacy interface for Free France. How this happened I don't know.

BTW. It is impossible to declare war on Vichy: Vichy declared war on the Allies (on its own without joining the axis). Germany cancled its military access to Vichy, declared war a week later and ..... was not able to move any troops in.
 

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Note on Vichy events

The various "colony XXXX rallies to Free France" events need an exists = FRA in the rigger. I'm playing a game as Germany ATM, and had France DOW me over the Rheinland. I annexed France in March 1940, yet the various DeGaulle rallies events kept firing for Vichy.
 

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Ghost_dk said:
Yep that the one Im building the new dutch .inc file on for the 1939 scenario

Ghost_dk

That was my source for some artillery techs also. :)

What seems odd to me that we had 114.000 men under arms and including reserves which we're called up it was 270.000 men. And if you take in acount that a division consists out of 15.000 men we should have had 18 divisions.

Only at the site there are only 10 divisions listed. Will you make divisions out of the territoriaal regions?
 

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Danish Oob 1940

Composition of the Danish Military 9 Apr 1940

by Christian Ankerstjerne



Army

2 divisions (one stationed in Jutland, one in Zealand), totalling 15,000 soldiers (of which 8,000 were recruits)



Airforce

21 fighter arcrafts (Fokker D-21)

27 recon aircrafts (Fokker) *)

19 school aircrafts *)

*) might be more - elsewhere a number of 65 destroyed recon- and school aircrafts are mentioned, but this does seem quite high compared to the number of fighters.



Navy

2 artillery ships

6 torpedo boats

7 submarines

3 mine ships

9 mine sweepers

4 inspection ships


as found at: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4617
 

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Belgian OOB 1940

Composition of the Belgian Army 10 May 1940

Corps

The Belgian army had 5 regular and two reserve corps (numbered I to VII CA - corps d'armee) and a corps de cavalerie. Corps I to V and VII had an artillery regiment and an engineer battalion as well as the infantry divisions.


I. Infantry divisions

1 ID : 3th, 4th and 24th Line regiment, 1st artillery regiment, 1st Engineer batallion
2 ID : 5th, 6st and 28th Line regiment, 2nd artillery regiment, 12th Engineer batallion
3 ID : 1st, 12th and 25th Line regiment, 3rd artillery regiment, 3rd Engineer batallion
4 ID : 7th, 11th and 15th Line regiment, 8 th artillery regiment, 4th Engineer batallion
5 ID : 1st, 2nd and 4th "jagers te voet" , 11th artillery rgt., 5th Engineer btn.
6 ID : 9th Line, 1st Grenadiers, 1st Carabiniers, 6th artillery Rgt., 7th Engineer Btn.
7 ID : 18th Line, 2nd Grenadiers, 2nd Carabiniers, 12th artillery Rgt., 6th Engineer Btn.
8 ID : 13th, 19th and 21st Line, 5th Artillery Rgt., 10th Engineer Btn.
9 ID : 8th, 16th and 17th Line, 4th Artillery Rgt., 9th Engineer Btn.
10 ID : 3rd, 5th and 6th "jagers te voet", 10th artillery Rgt., 8th Engineer Btn.
11 ID : 14th, 20th and 29th Line, 9th Artillery Rgt., 11th Engineer Btn.
12 ID : 2nd, 22nd and 23rd Line, 7th Artillery Rgt., 2nd Engineer Btn.
13 ID : 32nd, 33rd and 34th Line, 21stArtillery Rgt., 14th Engineer Btn.
14 ID : 35th, 36th and 38th Line, 22nd Artillery Rgt., 13th Engineer Btn.
15 ID : 31st, 42nd and 43rd Line, 23rd Artillery Rgt., 16th Engineer Btn.
16 ID : 37th, 41st and 44th Line, 24th Artillery Rgt., 18th Engineer Btn.
17 ID : 7th, 8th and 9th "jagers te voet", 25th Artillery Rgt., 17th Engineer Btn.
18 ID : 39th Line, 3rd Grenadiers, 3rd Carabiniers, 26st Artillery Rgt., 15th Engineer Btn.

1st "Ardennes" Division : 1st, 2nd and 3rd "Ardeense jagers", 1/19th Engineer Btn.
2nd "Ardennes" Division : 4th, 5th and 6th "Ardeense jagers", 2/19th Engineer Btn.



II. Cavalry Divisions

1 CD : 1st Guides, 2nd and 3rd Lancers, 1st and 3rd Carabiniers-cyclists, 17th Artillery Rgt., 25th Engineer Btn.
2 CD : 1st and 2nd "jagers te paard", 1st Lancers, 2nd and 4th Carabiniers-cyclists, 18th Artillery Rgt., 26th Engineer Btn.



In addition to the corps and divisions the Belgian army had:

Motorised Cavalry Brigade : 2nd Guides, 4th Lancers

2 regiments of gendarmerie- no.s 1 & 2.

2 regiments of frontier guards - 1 & 2 regiments cyclistes frontiere

A bataillion cycliste- frontiere de Limbourg

2 regiments d'artillerie de fortresse - 1 at Namur 1 at Liege

1 regiment unites speciales de fortresse: ! -V bataillons at Anvers, VI bn at Namur, VII at Liege

2 regiments of AA artillery.

45 static guard bataillions of various types, 9 territorial bn, and various school, training recruitment centres, depots, arsenals and hospitals.



Belgian AFV

The following infantry divisions each had 12 T13: 1 to 4 and 7 to 11 inclusive.

Each chasseur ardennais division had 3 T15 with the 1st also having 48 T13

Each cavalry regiment had 6 T13 and 6 T15

Independant cycliste frontiere company 12 T13

8th cycliste frontiere company 12 T13

PFL fortresse co. 12 T13

Escadron d'auto blindees 8 ACG 1





The distribution of the Belgian army divisions at midnight 10 May 40 was as below.

2 divisions to the north of the Albert canal in covering positions 18, 11

9 divisions along the line of the Albert canal east of Antwerp up to Liege (Luttich)

15, 9, 6, 14, 1, 4, 7, 2 and 3 in and around Liege

3 divisions covering Antwerp - 17, 13. 12

1 division near Ghent-16

1 division north east of Brusssels, near Louvain - 10

1 division south west of Brussels- 5

1 division at Namur - 8

1 cav div west of the R. Ourthe

2 cav div south of the Albert canal, west of St Trond

1 chasseur ardennais division east of the R Ourthe

2 chasseur ardennais division

Corps

V corps north of Antwerp

IV Corps Antwerp and to the east

II corps along the Albert canal

III corps along the Albert canal

VII corps along the Meuse Liege to Namur

VI corps area of Brussels

I corps Albert canal to Eben Emael


as found at http://www.axishistory.com/
 

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Der Bismarck said:
Composition of the Belgian Army 10 May 1940

.....

as found at http://www.axishistory.com/

Excellent

Thank you. I was looking for a Belgian OOB but its hard to come by. You just gave me a lot of work for tomorrow ;)

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