C.O.R.E HOI - USSR

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What needs to happen is a less agressive USSR against Finland, more troops against the Axis. I don't think Stalin wanted to march into Helsinki leaving i.e. Moscow dangerously unprotected.

Also, this little island off the coast of Finland is needed to annex it, I believe, I've seen the same thing many times in my games, and the USSR is reluctant to take it.

Not really, Finland have to be dealt as fast as possible to allow USSR to focus on Germans...

It doesn't matter anyway - AI is not able to use different set of parameters for different fronts, so if we make USSR less agressive against Finland, it will be less agressive against Germany/Japan/Persia (!) and all other potential participants of the war. Actually USSR got defensive AI that is used in whole 1940-1941 period and it's not better then agressive strategy.

From two bad things - defensive USSR loosing slowly one province after another (limiting it's IC/resources) and wasting organization and oil on walking along the front line and agressive USSR that at least walks in the direction of enemy, I prefer the second one.

 

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What needs to happen is a less agressive USSR against Finland, more troops against the Axis. I don't think Stalin wanted to march into Helsinki leaving i.e. Moscow dangerously unprotected.

Also, this little island off the coast of Finland is needed to annex it, I believe, I've seen the same thing many times in my games, and the USSR is reluctant to take it.

That island with VP points (Marienham) has never been taken by the SU in my Germany games. I deliberately tried to have the SU annex Finland in two different games, but they never did that. In my last game Finnish forces on that 'island' were at zero org and understrength for over a year, the SU bombed them so they know how bad off they were, but the SU never attempted to move into that VP island.

I suggest dropping that isthmus as a VP province to see if that changes the SU ability to annex Finland.

 

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I really think that USSR should have the Divisional Offensive Doctrine(sp?) instead of the Defensive one... 1st, it would let USSR to have a tech they obviously should have: the flame tanks and 2nd Stalin was planning to fight offensive wars.

 

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I really think that USSR should have the Divisional Offensive Doctrine(sp?) instead of the Defensive one... 1st, it would let USSR to have a tech they obviously should have: the flame tanks and 2nd Stalin was planning to fight offensive wars.

Soviets are already seriously beefed up (compared to the vanilla HoI) in the starting scenario... I guess they indeed can have flame tanks, since they had a lot of those (OT-26) and it not changes game balance a lot.

 

[Ghost_dk]

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[Ghost_dk]

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[Tormodius]

I really think that USSR should have the Divisional Offensive Doctrine(sp?) instead of the Defensive one... 1st, it would let USSR to have a tech they obviously should have: the flame tanks and 2nd Stalin was planning to fight offensive wars.

Recently, I just wanted to be the offensive Stalin...
It may work. You have a defensive doctine as a starter, but can chose another offensive doctrine later on, (army offensive organisation?), and ultimatly the nice tank/mech doctines... alas, the flame tank is disabled for some reason.

So it's fully possible to go offensive as the Soviet, with a horde of well organized fast T-60s, or the more awesome T-34, now that is acutally the fun part about that country.

 

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There doesn't seem to be much discussion here, so what if I bring this up:

Playing as USSR, it's only natural to want many many communist states. But if you've already annexed the country and you "liberate" it, it doesn't become communist, only if you puppet it rather than annex.

Could maybe there be some events that allow you to establish soviet satellites (mostly eastern europe). You could click yes, click never or click ask again in a year. Something like that?

I know there's a way to edit it in the save game, but I'm confused about changing the ministers (obviously, just adding it into your alliance at the top of the save game is the easy part).

Also, for the first 3 years, I used my DI to influence Mexico (plus they have many communist leaning events). By the time their war entry was 100, I got them in my alliance, still democratic though. Later, I checked and they had become Leninist... I'm very pleased about that... does anyone know how they did that? Turkey has been in my alliance too, but they're still reformed socialist.


Edit: While I'm at it, why don't I suggest events fostering communist activity in other countries near the end of the war? Start the cold war a little early.

 

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There doesn't seem to be much discussion here, so what if I bring this up:

Playing as USSR, it's only natural to want many many communist states. But if you've already annexed the country and you "liberate" it, it doesn't become communist, only if you puppet it rather than annex.

Could maybe there be some events that allow you to establish soviet satellites (mostly eastern europe). You could click yes, click never or click ask again in a year. Something like that? (...)

Edit: While I'm at it, why don't I suggest events fostering communist activity in other countries near the end of the war? Start the cold war a little early.

We are working events about post-war order.. still, to make them work as they should (like not firing when not needed, not crippling AI supply lines etc.) is a long task...

 

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No pressure! Keep up the great work. I am totally engrossed in this newest release. I feel the pace of war is much better and I definitely have to worry about resources more (and not expanding my IC so much). Some of those lend-lease shipments are really saving my butt! 6000 Rubber helps alot.

Unfortunately, I'm not an expert at WWII otherwise I would be helping out. Again, I really appreciate all your guys hard work.

 

[Tormodius]

Ahistorically, I managed to coup Sweden and make them Stalinist, but they would never joined the Comintern. Norway however, became a Comintern member during the war with Germany and then became Stalinist over time. When I puppeted Czechoslovakia they became Marxist-Leninist. Weird...
The dissent hit from declaring war and invading each neutral East-European country is just too frustrating. So a post war order would be great!

NB: The graphics on the T-34 - 85mm AM (acutally a T-44 in the tech desc.) is also a bit strange. The barrel is shorter than the T-34 IM but the AM tanks had long barrels. Or am I wrong?

 

[JRaup]

Information Request

Does anyone have the numbers of NKVD sent into the Baltics after they were annexed to the USSR? A link, or just post the numbers. It would be much appreciated.

 

[Steel]

Does anyone have the numbers of NKVD sent into the Baltics after they were annexed to the USSR? A link, or just post the numbers. It would be much appreciated.

Chat transcript (edited for clarity) regarding Soviet troop presence in Latvia from 1944 to 1949 (Robert is a Latvian national):

Robert there was a MVD special duty division, mostly engaging with 24th, 36th, 143th, 260th, 48th regiments and a special battalion
Robert NKVD troops battling partisan in Latvia from 44-49 were 16-18k
Robert add to those a 5k Red army detachment
Robert there are docummented 1572 battles with partisans
Robert there were at least 20k partisans - fully organised with bunker cities all over Latvia
Robert this does not take into account those that didnt join the partizan organisation
Robert there were occasional other units that were assigned on temporary basis in addition to this, but they were battalion and company sized units

 

[JRaup]

Chat transcript (edited for clarity) regarding Soviet troop presence in Latvia from 1944 to 1949 (Robert is a Latvian national):

This is good for the late war period (and I'll come up with something for that as well), but I'm looking more for that 39-40 period, after the Baltics were gobbled up before the Russo-German war. I also intend to do similar type events for Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, and when we get around to it, Eastern Germany.

 

[Steel]

This is good for the late war period (and I'll come up with something for that as well), but I'm looking more for that 39-40 period, after the Baltics were gobbled up before the Russo-German war. I also intend to do similar type events for Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, and when we get around to it, Eastern Germany.

Are you intending to drain USSR manpower and then return it for Barbarossa in form of units and/or manpower? I don't think I have any sources on any NKVD presence (if you google nkvd archive you will get some interesting Russian-language links that you can follow up on), but the Red Army presence was considerable judging from the text below. In HoI terms this would probably be military access and actual divisions being moved in rather than abstract occupation forces though.

On June 16th, 1940, the Soviet Union submitted an ultimatum to Estonia and demanded the permission to bring additional Red Army units to the territory of the Republic of Estonia and to form a new government. The reason given for the ultimatum was the alleged violation by the Republic of Estonia of the terms and conditions of the Agreement on Mutual Assistance concluded on September 28th, 1939. In foreign political isolation the Government of the Republic of Estonia decided to accept the ultimatum. On June 17th, 1940, in addition to the previous 25 000 soldiers, 70 000 supplementary Red Army soldiers and officers and 10 000 seamen of the navy were brought to Estonia. On the same day, the Estonian government resigned.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

I remember a while ago I mentioned the pacts to JRaup or somebody I think (can't remember) I can't seem to find where I mentioned this

 

[JRaup]

Are you intending to drain USSR manpower and then return it for Barbarossa in form of units and/or manpower? I don't think I have any sources on any NKVD presence (if you google nkvd archive you will get some interesting Russian-language links that you can follow up on), but the Red Army presence was considerable judging from the text below. In HoI terms this would probably be military access and actual divisions being moved in rather than abstract occupation forces though.

The Red Army presence is already covered IMO, by the way the AI stations units in those provinces. What I'm looking at is some minor MP hits (talking about 12 max I think), which would cover the security and political police presence, plus some dissent (1 pt per Baltic nation) to represent the minor resistance efforts prior to teh German invasion. I don't think that 12 MP will greatly effect the Soviet ability to wage war for Barbarossa, nor will 3 pts of dissent swing things terribly.

I'm considering similar events for when Romania and Bulgaria switch sides, and possibly Hungary and definitely Poland.

 

[JRaup]

I remember a while ago I mentioned the pacts to JRaup or somebody I think (can't remember) I can't seem to find where I mentioned this

Yeah you did mention it to me. Be damned if I remember which thread that was in though. Maybe the Central European thread? It bears some consideration for small event chains to handle them.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

I found it, started on post #1191 in the Central/Eastern Europe thread

 

[Steel]

The Red Army presence is already covered IMO, by the way the AI stations units in those provinces. What I'm looking at is some minor MP hits (talking about 12 max I think), which would cover the security and political police presence, plus some dissent (1 pt per Baltic nation) to represent the minor resistance efforts prior to teh German invasion. I don't think that 12 MP will greatly effect the Soviet ability to wage war for Barbarossa, nor will 3 pts of dissent swing things terribly.

I'm considering similar events for when Romania and Bulgaria switch sides, and possibly Hungary and definitely Poland.

Sounds ok to me Suggest you consider including the other 'likely target' nations as well, ie SWE/FIN/NOR, maybe TUR/PER/IRQ and of course SIK, CHI etc. FYI I've already written Japanese occupation events for China and will be extending that for other targets.