How would they get Polish territory? I don't think they share a land border so any conquest would go to ROM, SLO or GER.
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How would they get Polish territory? I don't think they share a land border so any conquest would go to ROM, SLO or GER.
In the Czechoslovakia partitioned set of events they get either the Transcarpathian Rus' (historical choice) or whole Slovakia + Moravia (for unknown reason, BTW). This gives them a pretty large border with Poland.
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Ok... so 5% chance. Thanks. If anybody wants to script an event and post it here then I'll include it.
No-no, the historical choice gives them a border with Poland as well. Not as long, but still.
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Re: Ukrainian leaders
The commander of this guys was General Roman Shukhevich, Commander in Chief of UPA or Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
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I could give you some ukrainian leaders if you want, the problem is that most of them were totally nationalist, so they wanted a totally independant Ukraine... for example, the UPA fought against the germans when they ocuppied Ukraine, but later, when USSR came, they fought against them too... finally in 1950 (aprox) they were wipped out...
The commander of this guys was General Roman Shukhevich, Commander in Chief of UPA or Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
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Re: Re: Ukrainian leaders
Anyway, when the faction of Bandera gained the upper hand they were fighting against practically everyone. Germans, USSR, Home Army, civilians (ethnic cleansing included...), even against other ukrainian factions...
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Wasn't his name Shushkevych?
Anyway, when the faction of Bandera gained the upper hand they were fighting against practically everyone. Germans, USSR, Home Army, civilians (ethnic cleansing included...), even against other ukrainian factions...
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Re: Re: Ukrainian leaders
That would be excellent. It's probably not much of a reach to assume that most of these would serve in a nominally independent Ukrainian army, an option that really never came to them. If we can at least get a number of the bigwigs, we can come up with fictional 'enko' leaders to give them enough 1 skill major generals to operate, however many we need. Ukraine on its own is capable of building a sizable military force given time.
If you want to post them, along with a proposed hierarchy, I will see what I can do to take it from there.
jkk
That would be excellent. It's probably not much of a reach to assume that most of these would serve in a nominally independent Ukrainian army, an option that really never came to them. If we can at least get a number of the bigwigs, we can come up with fictional 'enko' leaders to give them enough 1 skill major generals to operate, however many we need. Ukraine on its own is capable of building a sizable military force given time.
If you want to post them, along with a proposed hierarchy, I will see what I can do to take it from there.
jkk
Re: Re: Re: Ukrainian leaders
probably... i remember that it was something like that... but i could have mispelled it...
A pretty little USSR event looking for its' ID:
How about it, Generalissimo?
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Code:
event = {
id = XXXXXX
random = no
country = SOV
trigger = {
event = 2018 # Eastern Poland to USSR
}
name = "The situation in Eastern Poland"
desc = "In theory the Soviets invaded Poland to protect the Ukrainian and Byelorussian
minorities. However, all of the pre-1939 polish citizens were treated in the same way
regardless of their nationality. Hundreds of thousands of people were sent to GuLag. At first
the Soviets aimed at Polish nobility, upper-class and educated people. Shortly after the
repressions touched almost every family, regardless of their nationality class or beliefs.
Every farmer who had more than 5 ha. of land of his own could be sent to Siberia. General
Michal Karaszewicz-Tokarzewski, one of the chiefs of the Polish Resistance, wrote a report in
March 1940 about the situation in occupied Poland. He cites an anonymous peasant from Dzisna area:
'What Polaks failed to do with us in 20 years, Soviets managed to do in just half a year. We are
all Polaks now.'"
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1939 }
offset = 7 # Check for trigger conditions every seven days
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1943 }
action_a = {
name = "At least we have secured our power there" # Ok
command = { type = dissent value = 2 }
command = { type = manpowerpool value = -100 }
command = { type = province_manpower which = 724 value = -1 } # Przemysl
command = { type = province_manpower which = 720 value = -1 } # Równe
command = { type = province_manpower which = 725 value = -2 } # Lwów
}
}Cheers
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This is a consistent issue with many writers:
The words Polish, Soviets, and so forth are proper nouns and should be capitalized.
Helps cut down on the work later, guys.
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The words Polish, Soviets, and so forth are proper nouns and should be capitalized.
Helps cut down on the work later, guys.
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Sorry, I have a Spanish exam today and I'm 'thinking Spanish' right now.
Changed.
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Occupation of Eastern Poland
Seems fine to me, although not sure if manpower drop (in provinces, not the one from the pool) is really needed. After all, Soviets conscripted a lot of former Polish citizens (even in 1944, when Polish Army in USSR was formed, lot's of them were serving in Red Army units). And the scale of conscription was much more serious then similar German actions on the Silesia, Poznan and Gdansk areas (Germans were much more "picky").
I would stay with manpower pool drop, plus small (1 point) IC drops (changing administration + total remodeling of the land/industrial property structure). Right now, since USSR got those lands as core provinces, they got 100% effectiveness, which is way too good.
Seems fine to me, although not sure if manpower drop (in provinces, not the one from the pool) is really needed. After all, Soviets conscripted a lot of former Polish citizens (even in 1944, when Polish Army in USSR was formed, lot's of them were serving in Red Army units). And the scale of conscription was much more serious then similar German actions on the Silesia, Poznan and Gdansk areas (Germans were much more "picky").
I would stay with manpower pool drop, plus small (1 point) IC drops (changing administration + total remodeling of the land/industrial property structure). Right now, since USSR got those lands as core provinces, they got 100% effectiveness, which is way too good.
Does anybody have info on which USSR leaders should be assigned to which navy units?
Sorry Halibutt - didn't mean for it to come out poorly. More just an English pointer for guys who write events.
Question: on the manpower decreases, is this to put some type of a cap on total military unit count? If so, I'd think raising the manpower requirement per unit-type would be the answer.
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Question: on the manpower decreases, is this to put some type of a cap on total military unit count? If so, I'd think raising the manpower requirement per unit-type would be the answer.
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Re: Re: Occupation of Eastern Poland
The Poles in the Red Army are partially covered by the Polish Army in the East set of events. We can add some more events to simulate it even better, but the event I scripted should stay as a separate one.
To make myself clear:
- This event (pop drop + IC drop + something more)
- Another event (Poles conscripted to the SOV army)
- Polish army in the USSR (yet more manpower for the Soviets)
And that should be it.
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Partially. We can add an industry drop as the Soviets couldn't bring the pre-war level of production due to lack of qualified workforce (most of them were considered 'class enemies' and found themselves in concentration camps soon after Sept. 17) and factories stealing (many of the pre-war polish factories were dismantled and sent to Russia). I'd however stay with the pop. drop as well as I don't really see why shouldn't we do that.Originally posted by Generalisimo
well, do you agree with this halibutt?
The Poles in the Red Army are partially covered by the Polish Army in the East set of events. We can add some more events to simulate it even better, but the event I scripted should stay as a separate one.
To make myself clear:
- This event (pop drop + IC drop + something more)
- Another event (Poles conscripted to the SOV army)
- Polish army in the USSR (yet more manpower for the Soviets)
And that should be it.
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Re: Re: Re: Occupation of Eastern Poland
so, in those 3 provinces i reduce the IC too?
ok.
so, in those 3 provinces i reduce the IC too?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Occupation of Eastern Poland
We could add Wilno to the list as well, but the situation there was slightly different and the Soviets didn't have enough time to destroy its' economy the way they did in the south, so maybe we should leave it.
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Yes. I was planning to add Pinsk to it, but unfortunately I couldn't find the province ID (the HoI Atlas page is down).
We could add Wilno to the list as well, but the situation there was slightly different and the Soviets didn't have enough time to destroy its' economy the way they did in the south, so maybe we should leave it.
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Defense of Major Cities and Death of Stalin
One thing I would like to see as a USSR event is the choice Stalin made about evacuating Moscow as Germany was at the gates of the city. It is well known that he had a train waiting for him to leave but at the last moment when they came to let him know it was ready, he told them he was staying (as well as everyone else in the city who could defend it). Most likely he figured if he left that his own would turn on him since most of them feared (or hated him) as it was. A sign of weakness would be the end of him and might as well be captured or killed at the height of his power.
Perhaps there could be an event that when an opposing nation captures one of the provinces adjacent to Moscow the event would give the choice to either flee or stay in Moscow.
Fleeing would move the capital to Gorky and take a big disent hit since it would show that Stalin was loosing the fight.
Staying and fighting could be accompanied by creation of maybe 2-5 militia units in Moscow (or in the quene) and a +1 to +3 in fortress considering all the conscripted men, women, and children forced to build the cities defenses in an extremely short period of time (the NKVD were shooting anyone trying to flee the cities setting up road blocks etc). Maybe a temp IC hit could compensate all the persons from the factories being forced to dig trenches and man the at guns.
However if Moscow is captured then Stalin would die as a leader with a big disent hit and massive looting of supplies (for a short time as the Germans were at the gates there was actual looting in moscow til the NKVD started putting looters to the gun) considering the war was being lost and the man that bound them in fear would no longer be there.
However if the city was not captured and a few months have passed the IC returns to normal as there is no more personel digging trenches.
Perhaps the same thing could be done to Leningrad and Stalingrad (disent hits without the death of Stalin... The loss of either city would have been a blow to moral) as the Axis capture an adjacent province the player would get the option to get a temp reduction in IC to get instant militia division and a fortress increase. The 16th panzer division (the first units in Stalingrad I think) actually fought high school girls who had never operated a gun until that day stalingrad came under fire for example.
It could also represent the fact that most of the cities industrial production had ceased to due fighting and that rubble was often a better fortress for the soldiers in the city defending it than actual creating concrete defenses.
Stalingrad had litterally ceased to be an industrial city by the time the 6th army had surrendered.
One thing I would like to see as a USSR event is the choice Stalin made about evacuating Moscow as Germany was at the gates of the city. It is well known that he had a train waiting for him to leave but at the last moment when they came to let him know it was ready, he told them he was staying (as well as everyone else in the city who could defend it). Most likely he figured if he left that his own would turn on him since most of them feared (or hated him) as it was. A sign of weakness would be the end of him and might as well be captured or killed at the height of his power.
Perhaps there could be an event that when an opposing nation captures one of the provinces adjacent to Moscow the event would give the choice to either flee or stay in Moscow.
Fleeing would move the capital to Gorky and take a big disent hit since it would show that Stalin was loosing the fight.
Staying and fighting could be accompanied by creation of maybe 2-5 militia units in Moscow (or in the quene) and a +1 to +3 in fortress considering all the conscripted men, women, and children forced to build the cities defenses in an extremely short period of time (the NKVD were shooting anyone trying to flee the cities setting up road blocks etc). Maybe a temp IC hit could compensate all the persons from the factories being forced to dig trenches and man the at guns.
However if Moscow is captured then Stalin would die as a leader with a big disent hit and massive looting of supplies (for a short time as the Germans were at the gates there was actual looting in moscow til the NKVD started putting looters to the gun) considering the war was being lost and the man that bound them in fear would no longer be there.
However if the city was not captured and a few months have passed the IC returns to normal as there is no more personel digging trenches.
Perhaps the same thing could be done to Leningrad and Stalingrad (disent hits without the death of Stalin... The loss of either city would have been a blow to moral) as the Axis capture an adjacent province the player would get the option to get a temp reduction in IC to get instant militia division and a fortress increase. The 16th panzer division (the first units in Stalingrad I think) actually fought high school girls who had never operated a gun until that day stalingrad came under fire for example.
It could also represent the fact that most of the cities industrial production had ceased to due fighting and that rubble was often a better fortress for the soldiers in the city defending it than actual creating concrete defenses.
Stalingrad had litterally ceased to be an industrial city by the time the 6th army had surrendered.
Re: Defense of Major Cities and Death of Stalin
Although I think the next seat of government, and where much of it operated from, was actually Kubiyshev. (If Vladimir Rezun is to be believed, anyway.)
jkk
Although I think the next seat of government, and where much of it operated from, was actually Kubiyshev. (If Vladimir Rezun is to be believed, anyway.)
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