C.O.R.E HOI - Sub Saharan Africa

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by SykoNurse

problem is, ENG player would have the choice about the outcome; maybe these could be AI-only events to solve that.

i do not get which is the problem....

 

[SykoNurse]

A player of England would make a decision for Ethiopia, that´s all.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by SykoNurse
A player of England would make a decision for Ethiopia, that´s all.

now i get it

 

[unmerged(2826)]

Originally posted by SykoNurse
you´re right, yes it should.
option a: don´t provoke war
effect: -3 DI;

option b: threaten Italy
effect: hm yes what?

gimme hints. in the first place i left it like that to have it in at least. now where does it lead...?

historically the League of Nations set up a minor embargo that didnt exactly hurt Italy. a penalty could be like -250 supplies or so.
this event again could make up for a whole series of events, gimme your ideas!

How about a full allied embargo if Italy was threathened; it would lower resources and maybe trigger Tripartite Pact, atleast Italy would move in the direction of Axis; choice A would move it a bit to democracy; same could be done for Haile Selassie flees to London event...

 

[SykoNurse]

historically Ethiopia was as much sacrificed for peace in europe as was czechoslovakia or even austria. italy invaded ETH but france and england didnt dare to intervene to prevent that mussolini fully relied on hitler...
a lot of the diplomatical foreplay took place in 35 already. there´d be a british export stop on arms to ethiopia and italy alike for instance. oil sanctions were also discussed in 35 (dec).

after the conquest britain didnt see away to restore the emperor without going to war.

Meanwhile, appeasement was the order of day in Europe, where most statesmen avoided alienating Italy out of fear of Nazi Germany. London reasoned, furthermore, that it had no interests in Ethiopia worth intervention, and in France, Laval was committed to his Italian ally. The league therefore came up with solutions tending to favor the Italians

taken from here
i don´t see yet how we can do that. still i´d like to see sanctions. maybe italy can start of with something (but oil) lowered a little and then gains it in july 1936 when the sanctions were lifted by the league of nations. (single event)

 

[brandnew70x7]

Originally posted by SykoNurse
how about a follow up to the Haile Selassie fled to London event like this:

event1:
ITA gets the choice
a) bribe Haile Selassie with 1 million pounds and the title of a province governor (historical option) ->event2
b) Haile who? -> nothing

event2:
a) Haile Selassie declines (historical option) -> nothing/-1DI
b) Haile Selassie accepts -> sleep freedom fighter events

problem is, ENG player would have the choice about the outcome; maybe these could be AI-only events to solve that.

Im sure Mussolini would know a man who visited Mussolini the year before

 

[SykoNurse]

if you refer to event 1, option b,
that was metaphorical for not taking him serious.
iirc they also met in 1928 on signing an italo-abyssinian friendship treaty. Ras Tafari Makonnen also visited the Duce in 1924. of course they knew each other.

 

[SykoNurse]

####################################################################
# 272031 - (ENG) Haile Selassie I. has left the country (by SykoNurse)
####################################################################

.cut.
####################################################################
# XXXXX1 - (ITA) Pacifying Ethiopia
####################################################################

.cut.
######################################################################
# xxxxx2 - (ENG) The Emperor's Response
######################################################################

.cut.
that could be it. havent had a look on the improved freedom fighter events, so Generalisimo will have to say something
the 2 DI for england are somewhat meant to be a small encouragement for an ENG player to behave

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by SykoNurse

that could be it. havent had a look on the improved freedom fighter events, so Generalisimo will have to say something
the 2 DI for england are somewhat meant to be a small encouragement for an ENG player to behave

maybe we can add more DI, 5 or something like that...
because 2 is too little to be tempted by that...

 

[SykoNurse]

you have a point there make it so!

 

[Generalisimo]

final version of the events:
i have raise to -10 the DI if you accept and +10 if you reject, so, a player is more tempted to choose the historical option.

####################################################################
# 272031 - (ENG) Haile Selassie I. has left the country (by SykoNurse)
####################################################################

event = {
id = 272031
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
NOT = {
exists = ETH
}
random = 75
}

name = "Haile Selassie I. fled to London!"
desc = "As the Italians entered the capital Addis Abeba the Emperor had already left his country. He fled to Jerusalem first, then

moved on to his London exile where he was hardly welcome. Many people criticised his move to leave the country but his main purpose was to

appeal to the League of Nations again. In a speech in Geneva his conclusion was that if force was allowed to triumph over the Covenant, then

the collective security of small states was threatened. Historically at this point the League of Nations became insignificant."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
name = "Okay"
command = { }
}
}
####################################################################
# 462077 - (ITA) Pacifying Ethiopia (by SykoNurse)
####################################################################

event = {
id = 462077
random = no
country = ITA

trigger {
event = 272031
random = 40
}

name = "The Duce tries to bribe Haile Selassie I."
desc = "After Haile Selassie's flight to London the Italians found out that it would not be an easy task to pacify Ethiopia. A few local

Rases were still resisting and launching guerilla attacks on the conquerors. A few submitted but as long as Italy did not have the Ethiopian

nobility on her side there would be no peace in Africa Orientale Italiana. Mussolini tried to bribe the exiled Emperor with 1 million pounds

and nominal sovereignty to satisfy the Ethiopian people's desire to be led by their Emperor, while keeping the actual power for Italy.

Historically Haile Selassie I. declined. The Lion of Judah returned to power in 1942 invading his own country with the help of British

forces from the Sudan."
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = july year = 1936 }
offset = 10 # depends on circumstances
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
name = "Bribe him"
command = { type = trigger which = 272070 } # the emperor's response
command = { type = supplies value = -250 }
}
action_b = {
name = "We don't need him"
command = { }
}
}

######################################################################
# 272070 - The Emperor's Response (by SykoNurse)
######################################################################

event = {
id = 272070
random = no
country = ENG

#triggered by 272031 - (ITA) Pacifying Ethiopia

name = "Mussolini tries to bribe Haile Selassie"
desc = "After Haile Selassie's flight to London the Italians found out that it would not be an easy task to pacify Ethiopia. A few local

Rases were still resisting and launching guerilla attacks on the conquerors. A few submitted but as long as Italy did not have the Ethiopian

nobility on her side there would be no peace in Africa Orientale Italiana. Mussolini tried to bribe the exiled Emperor with 1 million pounds

and nominal sovereignty to satisfy the Ethiopian people's desire to be led by their Emperor, while keeping the actual power for Italy.

Historically Haile Selassie I. declined. The Lion of Judah returned to power in 1942 invading his own country with the help of British

forces from the Sudan."
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "Never!"
command = { type = influence value = 10 } #protecting the guest
}
action_b = {
name = "The Lion of Judah submits to Italy"
command = { type = influence value = -10 } #for acepting a bribe
# 462008 to 462014 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1937
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462008 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462009 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462010 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462011 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462012 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462013 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462014 }
# 462040 to 462046 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1938
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462040 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462041 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462042 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462043 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462044 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462045 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462046 }
# 462047 to 462053 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1939
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462047 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462048 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462049 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462050 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462051 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462052 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462053 }
# 462054 to 462060 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1940
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462054 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462055 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462056 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462057 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462058 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462059 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462060 }
# 462061 to 462067 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1941
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462061 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462062 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462063 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462064 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462065 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462066 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462067 }
# 462068 to 462074 - Ethiopian Freedom Fighters for 1942
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462068 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462069 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462070 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462071 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462072 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462073 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 462074 }
}
}

 

[SykoNurse]

nice

 

[SykoNurse]

 

[SykoNurse]

http://www.irrenwaerter.de/bilder/Troops.jpg
could anybody make sprites of these guys for ETH infantry?

http://www.irrenwaerter.de/bilder/retainers.jpg
and of these for militia?

 

[Steel]

C.O.R.E. - The Sub-Saharan Africa Mod

Seriously though, great work

 

[SykoNurse]

the leader pictures have originally been made by Birch23. Didnt make it into the leadermodifications 1.04 though. Generalisimo reworked them yesterday. Then I corrected the files Birch made (especially the traits, they were somewhat random.) A few guys have been sorted out for the 2nd version. Like Ivar Virgin (last chance to see above), who left Abyssinia shortly befor war broke out as he severely suffered from the highland climate...a pity but he wasn´t there.
these are the corrected leaders w/ pictures:

all the leaders:
.cut.

 

[Generalisimo]

all this changes will be included in 0.2 + the new pics

about the sprites, why don't you talk with N!ghty or someone from the graphical edit forum?
they receive suggestions, so maybe they can work on that...

 

[SykoNurse]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
all this changes will be included in 0.2 + the new pics

about the sprites, why don't you talk with N!ghty or someone from the graphical edit forum?
they receive suggestions, so maybe they can work on that...

posted the pics there, hopefully somebody likes to make the sprites...
The leaderstuff also went to the 1.05 leadermodification thread...maybe next time it´s official

 

[SykoNurse]

in parts I posted this before, wanted to ask you guys how you would translate this into game terms.

the northern line:
Haile Kebbede - 10k men (6 men to 1 rifle, 3 machineguns)
Ras Mulugueta - 70k-80k men (400 machineguns, 10 cannons, few Oerlikon AA)
Imru/Kassa/Seyum - together 20k men
Makonnen Demissie - 12k (described as 'well armed', 10 Oerlikon AA)
+ several other groups to add up to a total of 150k men. they had 10 mio cartridges and 50k shells to fire.

the southern line:
the Imperial Guard
Arussi/Abebe - 6000
Endelkatchew - 12,000
Desta Damtew - over 20k men (fully armed, Oerlikon AA, Guards Battalion with them.
Data is from Haile Selassie´s War by Anthony Mockler.

make anything of this?

 

[SykoNurse]

Haile Kebbede - 10k men (6 men to 1 rifle, 3 machineguns)
->militia of strength 15 or not at all
Ras Mulugueta - 70k-80k men (400 machineguns, 10 cannons, few Oerlikon AA) ->?

Imru/Kassa/Seyum - together 20k men -> 1 div militia?

Makonnen Demissie - 12k (described as 'well armed', 10 Oerlikon AA) -> 1 div reg Inf?

+ several other groups to add up to a total of 150k men. they had 10 mio cartridges and 50k shells to fire.

the southern line:
the Imperial Guard -> 1/2 or 1/3 div reg Inf
Arussi/Abebe - 6000 -> militia strength 50?
Endelkatchew - 12,000 -> 1 div militia?
Desta Damtew - over 20k men (fully armed, Oerlikon AA, Guards Battalion with them. -> 1 div reg inf?