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Generalisimo

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South America modifications

Well, i have been looking for more leaders of Argentina...
I have found a lot more, but i could not find pictures about almost of them.
Later i will put the list, so anyone can see if they have better luck finding the pics.
Also i am plannig to add more events for Argentina at least, then for all the other.

Someone has found more leaders for Brazil? :confused:
 
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I have... but, air and naval leaders are going to be hard to find because of the nature of the Brazilian/American relationship during the war...

Generalisimo, I was thinking that some of the nations of South America should also have unit names which fit with the countries.... what do you think?

M
 
Its easy to find pictures on Argentine air force ministers all of the ministers are on the airforce homepage. Maybe one of them will do?
 
Originally posted by Bismarck
I have... but, air and naval leaders are going to be hard to find because of the nature of the Brazilian/American relationship during the war...

Generalisimo, I was thinking that some of the nations of South America should also have unit names which fit with the countries.... what do you think?

M
well, it is a good idea to add more unit names to that...
i will work on that later...:D
 
looking in the airforce page of argentina....
"El 11 de octubre de 1943 se constituyó la Escuela de Tropas Aerotransportadas, con asiento en Campo de Mayo, la que a partir del año siguiente pasó a integrar la Guarnición Aérea Córdoba como Escuela Militar de Paracaidistas, posibilitando que nuestro país fuera el 5º en el mundo en poseer estas modernísimas unidades militares después de Rusia, Alemania, Gran Bretaña y los Estados Unidos."
it says that Argentina was the fifth country to introduce paratroopers in their army after SU, GER, UK and US... :D

thanks to Aetius, i found more air generals... so i will post them here tomorrow... (because today i have an exam!!! :eek: )

and i found that for military supplies and all transporting stuff we used Junkers JU-52... bought to Germany of course... :D
The military was full of german equipment by that time...
 
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What i can do for help right now is to provide a mirror for the files at Roadtowar.com and give coverage to the progress of the mod. Let me know if there is anything else i can do to further spread the voice about C.O.R.E. Maybe adding an exclusive new topic about C.O.R.E.? I'm thinking... :cool:

Maybe whenever i manage to get some extra free time to get more involved with reasearch and events i could contribute a little more, specially regarding South American events, units, etc... although Txini was doing good about it (i don't know if he's still reasearching... gotta check spanish forums).

About Argentina's forces... i will take a look at what Generalisimo is getting so i can see if i can help (ok Generalisimo?) :)

For example, by 1936 ALL argentine infantry unit where motorized. Córdoba, wich in the game has very low infastructure, was already the core of the argentine military industry... that has to be changed, imho. By 1936 argentine forces were the most modern of the region, as far as i was told. Also, by 1930somthing there was already a Naval Squadron, a fighter squadron in Mendoza, a Cavalry "division" and a couple of "Mountain Divisions" in Patagonia, and some other things not included in HoI. Also, in 1938 argentina had ordered a whole division of Pz38 tanks from Chekoslovakia, but the order failed to get fullfiled due to the annexation of the country by Germany (there's field for an event here).

I'll have to dig more...

Anyway... i will be around. :)
 
Well, here it is a list of all the leaders i could find, almost all of them without any photo... if someone can find their photo send it to me to: generalisimo_arg@hotmail.com

Air Force
  1. Mj. General Antonio Parodi (also Minister of the Air Force)
  2. Air General Cesar Ojeda (also Minister of the Air Force)
  3. Mj. General Bartolomé de la Colina (also Minister in 1944)
  4. Lt. General Ulises Efrain Ibarra (the first commander of the paratroopers divisions, founder of the paratrooper activity in Argentina)
  5. Mj. General Angel Maria Zuloaga[/list=1]

    Land Force
    1. Gral. Nicolas Accame
    2. Gral. Francisco Fasola Castaño
    3. Gral. Juan Bautista Molina
    4. Gral. Ramon Molina
    5. Field Marshall Carlos Marquez
    6. Mj. Gral. Juan Monferini
    7. Mj. Gral. Juan Tomazzi
    8. Mj. Gral. Jorge Giovanelli
    9. Gral. Benjamin Menendez
    10. Gral. Avelino Alvarez
    11. Mj. Gral. Jose F. Suarez
    12. Mj. Gral. Rafael Lascalea
    13. Mj. Gral. Ambrosio Vago
    14. Mj. Gral. German Gutierrez
    15. Mj. Gral. Antonio Vieyra Spangenberg[/list=1]

      Naval Force
      1. Vice Admiral J. Rawson Bustamante
      2. Rear Admiral Antonio Parodi (*)
      3. Admiral Cesar Ojeda (*)[/list=1]
        (*) both were part of the navy forces, but because the navy and the air force were manage togheter they were in charge of the air force too, until 1943 when the air force was separate from the navy.

        When you have any info email me!!! :D
 
Generalismo,

Are you generally satisfied with the choices for Argentina's ministers as well?

M
 
Originally posted by Bismarck
Generalismo,

Are you generally satisfied with the choices for Argentina's ministers as well?

M
well, they are more or less right, the problem is that there must be alot of new ministers, as optionals, because all the military was in the political affair, so they usually put and sack people all the time.
For example in that time period the minister of the air force was almost 10 diferent people...:rolleyes:
of course, some took that place for a month, so there is now way to include them,but there are some that took an important place in argentina's history.
i am looking into them, to add the more important ones.
So, i let you know when i finish :D
 
Yes... that period was very very turbulent. :(

Generalisimo: maybe we could use F.O.R.J.A as one of the cabinets in the shadows. I have a lot of information about this small political group that gained a spot in Argentina's history. Although small in members (a few thousands) it was very active until they dissapeared around the end of WW2. This group was the first polictical group in Argentina to develop a home made or "made in argentina" ideology. It was very controversial and some people thought they were fascist, other's thought they were socialist, and other believed they were centrist.

I can make a profile for HoI for each of the personalities of this polictical faction if interested. :)
 
The list is HUGE, so i am listing below a summary of what i believe were the most important personalities in the F.O.R.J.A movement. Btw, are we gonna use it as Centrist or Reformed Socialist?

Anyway... here's my list:

- Arturo Jauretche (the most representative of F.O.R.J.A - Main Founder)
- Luis Dellepiane (son of a minister of Yirigoyen's administration and 1st President of FORJA - Founder - Very cult and influent personality)
- Raul Scalabrini Ortiz (not a member in the beginning and also the most conservative due to his family, but very representative of this movement)
- Homero Manzi (popular poet and very representative of the movement)
- Gabriel del Mazo (high ranked within the movement's structure)
- Jorge del Rio (THE attorney against the energy monopolies)
- Rodriguez Conde (political researcher - Comes from the left wing of the socialism)
- Libertario Ferrari (from the state's workers union)
- Cosme Givoje (from the merchant marine union)

... and there are a lot more, maybe some even more important than some of the listed above.

I hope it helped a bit.
 
I think we should use a few of them as minister replacements. Because anyway they were few in number, although they made history.

They root is radical (they were Yrigoyenists).

- Arturo Jauretche: may be used as foreign minister (ideological crusader)

- Luis Dellepiane: may be used as foreign minister (biased intelectual)

- Raul Scalabrini Ortiz: may be used as head of intelligence (industrial intelligence) or armaments minister (resource industralist) or foreign minister (biased intelectual)

- Jorge del Rio: may be used as minister of security (back stabber)

- Rodriguez Conde: may be used as head of intelligence (political specialist)

These are just ideas. All were "democratic". Jorge del Rio should be "reformed socialist". The rest should be "centrists". I dunno about loyalties. :confused:

These people disliked the corruption of the government at that time and were claiming for true democracy. They disliked Marcelo Alvear, so i presume they should be on the opposing democratic cabinet, unless being very unloyal to him. I dunno... On the foreign front, they were strongly opposed to colonialism and imperialism, specially from the UK, and were pan-amercianists. They were the inspiration for the Aprism in Peru.

Anyway... these are just suggestions.