C.O.R.E HOI - Germany

[Tormodius]

Also, the non-annexed provinces are possible to redeploy into, but not to deploy new units into. That made it possible for me to annex Egypt and deploy new troops to conquer Africa without shipping them. On the other hand I could not redeploy older troops into Egypt.

And if you want to historically deploy flying bombs in order bomb England you will have to deploy them in Germany then redeploy them into Normandie. Same with Belgium and Netherlands... cannot deploy new troops into there before they are annexed. Kinda silly rule.

IMO, a change in this system would be very much welcome in 1.06. Especially would lend of troops work better with redeployment into allied territory as well. They would use the ally's RR instead of moving about wastelands forever.

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Germany even used neutral RR in Sweden to deploy troops into Finland IRL, so the standard HOI redeployment time of one weak should be ok in mil.access-granting country too.

 

[Tormodius]

One other thing... I just experienced having two invasions into Soviet, one in 1941, and one in 1942. Both in one game at normal level. First time there was this armistice event, where I could have made Soviet a puppet but I chose 'make peace' and I got only one province from them. (one of those swamps in Poland) I think this is one bad option, since Japan got the some of the eastern provinces, and no "liberated" nations were created and Soviet was just a bit smaller than in 1939. So I had to invade the next summer and then I annexed it. Just thought it was a bit too easy and the events a bit strange... How does this work?

 

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A question lots of pages so hard to check all.......is there an event for the July 44 bomb plot replacing Hitler with Himmler which most of the resistance in Germany thought was best plan and the allies to at that time...they didnt have hindsight.Why because with hitler as head of state in reality there was no way puppets or liberal policy to nations would have happened.He made his position clear before Poland and it never changed.As such when Germany I always follow a hard line policy.But would be nice to have the ability to adjust that.But that would only happen on the removal of hitler.So is it possible to have an event that gives a chance of the coup sucess it nearly was and if Rommell hadnt been removed by accident by the British the chance was even higher.And if success the chance to change some policies effect independence manpower morale.A smaller chance of the resistances dream peace in the West only.Difficult is trigger should be a germany in difficulty.Himmler was a rat and rats only leave sinking ships.

Actually, this event is even present in normal, not-modded HoI.
It rarely triggers though, as it needs bad front situation plus some dissent... Since human players tend to win with Germany and AI is very good in keeping dissent down, you will rarely see that. Besides, this event not results in peace, so maybe it event happened once or twice when you played USA or Uk, but didn't notice it.

We got plans to develop this event, but it got low priority now, since its probability of happening is very low...

 

[darviathar]

German Commanders

I'd like to see the ratings some of these, particularly the Field Marshals revised a bit. As the ranks. For example, career staff (non combat command) leaders, such as Keitel and Brauchtisch are given a 3 rating, WITH offensive doctrine. Based on what, I wonder. Extremely effective Field Marshalls, such as Von Kleist and Reichenau are given virtually identical ratings. This should be changed. I'm not advocating given every one of them 5 star ratings, mind you. Also, the ranks of a few need to be changed. Starting Rommel/Manstein/Model at General is fine, but starting some of the later Marshals (Ernst Busch and Ferdinand Schoerner) at Lieutenant General generally results in those historical figures not even being used. Starting with skill 3 at Lt. General gives them virtually no chance to impact the game. Getting one promotion (through in-game combat experience) is possible, but two is very very difficult, even for the Rommels and Guderians that everyone uses.


Also, it would be nice to see the computer AI make better use of his skilled commanders. Whenever I fight against a computer Germany, I tend to see the AI using lousy Generals in combat, while he leaves extremely capable ones in some backwater region, or doesn't use them at all.

 

[Ghost_dk]

I'd like to see the ratings some of these, particularly the Field Marshals revised a bit. As the ranks. For example, career staff (non combat command) leaders, such as Keitel and Brauchtisch are given a 3 rating, WITH offensive doctrine. Based on what, I wonder. Extremely effective Field Marshalls, such as Von Kleist and Reichenau are given virtually identical ratings. This should be changed. I'm not advocating given every one of them 5 star ratings, mind you. Also, the ranks of a few need to be changed. Starting Rommel/Manstein/Model at General is fine, but starting some of the later Marshals (Ernst Busch and Ferdinand Schoerner) at Lieutenant General generally results in those historical figures not even being used. Starting with skill 3 at Lt. General gives them virtually no chance to impact the game. Getting one promotion (through in-game combat experience) is possible, but two is very very difficult, even for the Rommels and Guderians that everyone uses.


Also, it would be nice to see the computer AI make better use of his skilled commanders. Whenever I fight against a computer Germany, I tend to see the AI using lousy Generals in combat, while he leaves extremely capable ones in some backwater region, or doesn't use them at all.

Im afraid we have no say in how the ai uses its leaders. As far as the skills of specific leaders we use the latest official leader pack so your change proposals should probably go to the leadermodification thread one dir up from here. I belive the German file is closed for changes but you could give it a try.

Ghost_dk

 

[Tormodius]

So is it possible to have an event that gives a chance of the coup sucess it nearly was and if Rommell hadnt been removed by accident by the British the chance was even higher.And if success the chance to change some policies effect independence manpower morale.

Rommel being revoved by a British attack is not a clear fact. It was the official version though, because he was a popular guy among the German people he had to go like that. However, some sources says he was poisoned by the Gestapo. He had the choice of taking the cyanide or they would kill his wife and kid, so he chose to chew the cap.

I guess Hitler did not have use of a disloyal folk-hero, who had on one occasion critisized Hitlers ill treatment of the Jews, and said thing like "Hitler is spilling mud on the German uniform". Yeah, Rommel's own words, so I have no doubts about the cyanide version.


So, if Hitler was killed , and Rommel survived, I have no idea what would have happened... Perhaps the people wanted their Afrika Korps-hero to take the throne ?

 

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Rommel being revoved by a British attack is not a clear fact. It was the official version though, because he was a popular guy among the German people he had to go like that. However, some sources says he was poisoned by the Gestapo. He had the choice of taking the cyanide or they would kill his wife and kid, so he chose to chew the cap.

I guess Hitler did not have use of a disloyal folk-hero, who had on one occasion critisized Hitlers ill treatment of the Jews, and said thing like "Hitler is spilling mud on the German uniform". Yeah, Rommel's own words, so I have no doubts about the cyanide version.


So, if Hitler was killed , and Rommel survived, I have no idea what would have happened... Perhaps the people wanted their Afrika Korps-hero to take the throne ?

I thought it was a known fact that Rommel was ordered executed by Hitler for his role in the assasination atempt. He was picked up from his house in germany and was taken to a remote site and then shot.

 

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Rommel WAS injured by an aerial attack, it didn't kill him however. While recovering from his wounds, he was arrested and given the choice: either poison himself or a public trial, which would almost certainly result in reprisals against his family

 

[Amona]

Event proposal

In HOI the default war minister and chief of army for Germany are Generals Beck and Fritsch. Historically, War minister was v.Blomberg, Fritsch was commander-in-chief of the army and Beck was chief of army staff.
All three generals were ousted in 1938 due to several intrigues.
The OKW (oberkommando der Wehrmacht, high command of german forces) was created, and General Keitel was apointed chief of OKW. General v. Brauchitsch became commander of the army. Furthermore, Hitler became commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht. In the light of the well known conflicts between Hitler and his generals during the war quite an important thing, IMO.
So I propose the following event for Germany:

- Hitler takes command of the Wehrmacht, creation of OKW.

effects: Keitel new war minister, v.Brauchitsch new army chief.
Forever loose the service of Beck, forever loose the service of Fritsch.

As the intrigues were viewed with disgust by most members of the german officer corps, I propose a raise of 1 % in dissent.

If this event was already discussed before, please notify me.

 

[JRaup]

In HOI the default war minister and chief of army for Germany are Generals Beck and Fritsch. Historically, War minister was v.Blomberg, Fritsch was commander-in-chief of the army and Beck was chief of army staff.
All three generals were ousted in 1938 due to several intrigues.
The OKW (oberkommando der Wehrmacht, high command of german forces) was created, and General Keitel was apointed chief of OKW. General v. Brauchitsch became commander of the army. Furthermore, Hitler became commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht. In the light of the well known conflicts between Hitler and his generals during the war quite an important thing, IMO.
So I propose the following event for Germany:

- Hitler takes command of the Wehrmacht, creation of OKW.

effects: Keitel new war minister, v.Brauchitsch new army chief.
Forever loose the service of Beck, forever loose the service of Fritsch.

As the intrigues were viewed with disgust by most members of the german officer corps, I propose a raise of 1 % in dissent.

If this event was already discussed before, please notify me.

There are AI only events which cover this. I don't know if one has been coded for a player though. have to check. But for the most part, playerswill shuffle their cabinets around to get the ministers they want. So such an event may be pointless, considering how a player may or may not change ministers.

 

[Amona]

@JRaup: You are probably right.
But, if there are AI-only events covering this, are they visible during play?
Ive played about a dozend core 0.71-games with other countries than Germany and have never seen anything like that.
Can not find such events in the event list on core-website too.

 

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@JRaup: You are probably right.
But, if there are AI-only events covering this, are they visible during play?
Ive played about a dozend core 0.71-games with other countries than Germany and have never seen anything like that.
Can not find such events in the event list on core-website too.

"AI Only" events are usually not visible in the game log, but they happen. So far we have Germany, USSR, UK and Japan optimized to use best ministers (like giving Wirmer to Germany to rise their manpower and so on).

List on the website might be a bit out of date, but at the end of page you will see something like that:

***Events below this line are in the design stage***
1500167-1500200 - Minister changes - AI Only (by Copper Nicus)

Well, that are not at the design stage anymore...

 

[Amona]

@Copper Nicus:
Okay

 

[MateDow]

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If this event was already discussed before, please notify me.

I have written an event for this. If you want a copy so you can read/test it, drop me your e-mail address in a PM and I will e-mail you a copy. MDow

 

[Crazyhorse]

Sorry, forgot to read the forum rules. My apologies.

 

[Ghost_dk]

What do you guys think about events which let the POW's get to work, or set them free?

I saw a events download for this and it seemed very nice to me only I couldn't get it to work.

POW's and Forced labour is off limit issues as well as of Paradox policy.

Ghost_dk

 

[Crazyhorse]

POW's and Forced labour is off limit issues as well as of Paradox policy.

Ghost_dk

Ok. Then that's clear for me. Sorry.

I was watching a docu on the discovery channel about Udet and Borman.

Are there events for the flight from I tought Bormann to the UK and the death of Udet?

Bormann was a high ranking person in germany and this could have a effect on the dissent level. As well as the suicide of Udet who was quite popular in Germany.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Ok. Then that's clear for me. Sorry.

I was watching a docu on the discovery channel about Udet and Borman.

Are there events for the flight from I tought Bormann to the UK and the death of Udet?

Bormann was a high ranking person in germany and this could have a effect on the dissent level. As well as the suicide of Udet who was quite popular in Germany.

Well Udet is in the leaders file so we could give an event with a chance of firing after outbreak of war and then take him out as a leader when it fires.
I will do that, but the episode was covered up so not much cause for dissent i believe.

I have not been able to dig up further information on the Bormann incident you mentioned so you will have to provide some more detail if you want me to make an event on that one.

Ghost_dk

 

[Crazyhorse]

Well Udet is in the leaders file so we could give an event with a chance of firing after outbreak of war and then take him out as a leader when it fires.
I will do that, but the episode was covered up so not much cause for dissent i believe.

I have not been able to dig up further information on the Bormann incident you mentioned so you will have to provide some more detail if you want me to make an event on that one.

Ghost_dk

That's true they did do a cover up for Udet. But still he died and they issued a story that it was a accident while testing a new weapon. So It must have been publicly known so a slight dissent hit would seem logical.

And i was wrong it wasn't Bormann it was Rudolph Hess and he Fled to the UK.

I have a link here with his history.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/Hess.html

He went to the UK seeking an end to the war with the Uk.

 

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Hess thought that he could get the British, who many high up nazis felt that were their kindred, to end the war with germany, and both attack the USSR, as they were the true enemy..

THe British felt he was a nutcase, and locked him up in the tower of london for the rest of the war...

really, this had no over all effect, other than showing the british the kind of people the Higher Up nazi's were....