C.O.R.E HOI - Far East (Japan-Nationalist China-ChiCom-Siam-Phillipines)

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Steel
You're welcome Looking forward to see the finished results.

Hi Steel

I finished the events yesterday but i get some error messages when loading them. Im sending you a copy and hopefullu you can find out whats wrong.

If you are up to it, could you make some sidenotes and send the revised file back to me so i can learn. Im getting a little tired of my events always causing stops on loading

thanx in advance

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

Wilco.

 

[Alsum]

One question, how come there aren't any Indian military leaders available?

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by flange3
How come there aren't any Indian military leaders available?

nobody cared to invest time on them because they get into the game too late to change something...

 

[EUIX]

Originally posted by Burris
BTW:

Russia and Com Chi should NOT ally.

Russia and Com Chi had a big rivalry actually.

That occured in the late 50's initially Sino-Soviet ties were cordial if not a necessicity for Mao.

 

[Steel]

Province changes in v0.5

Appreciate if anyone can take a look at this and verify.

#Burma
province = {  id = 1580	coal = 15 }
province = {  id = 1588	ic = 2 maxic = 2  steel = 5 }
province = {  id = 1589	ic = 1 maxic = 1  rubber = 5 }
province = {  id = 1590	oil = 10  steel = 10 }
province = {  id = 1594	rubber = 5 }

 

[unmerged(17802)]

this is actually an France event but this was what happend

France and Indokina: In 1940 Ho Chi Minh his VietMinh starts partisan attacks in IndoChina

 

[Steel]

Re: State of play

Stybb, it's on the to-do list for a long time (Viet Minh insurrection) and already covered to some extent by the TechMod "Partisan attacks increase" modification.


This is my to-do list for the Far East:

- Rework Khalkin Ghol to get event delays (alpha testing)
- Allied Equipment to China (alpha testing)
- Chinese representation in Washington 1943
- Manchukuo signs Anti-Comintern Pact (alpha testing)
- Internal Japanese Politics (alpha testing)
- von Seekt in China
- Otto Braun in China
- Asian manpower levels
- Vietminh insurrection
- Siam events
- Bitter Peace for Japan (alpha testing)
- Korea independence (alpha testing)
- Korea civil war (alpha testing)
- Chinese civil war resumption (alpha testing)
- Late-game Chinese claims (alpha testing)
- Indonesian PETA army
- Indonesian army purge
- Indonesian independence
- Vietnam independence


I don't expect any of this to make v0.5 release.

 

[Steel]

Korea

One of my major frustrations about post-war Korea is resources. It's easy enough to just give them big stockpiles but if there is anybody out there with a good idea about the economics of the region then I'd appreciate some comment on the resource and manpower levels that Paradox gave Korea.

ID	Name		Modern Country	Climate		Terrain		IC	MP	Oil	Steel	Coal	Rubber
1664	Kange		North Korea	Temperate	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0
1665	Seishin		North Korea	Temperate	mountain	0	1	0	0	0	0
1666	Kanko		North Korea	Temperate	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0
1668	Sinuiju		North Korea	Mediterranean	mountain	0	20	0	0	0	0
1671	Genzan		North Korea	Temperate	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0
1672	Heijo		North Korea	Temperate	mountain	3	1	0	0	0	0
1673		Shunsen	South Korea	Temperate	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0
1674	Keijo		South Korea	Temperate	mountain	3	10	0	0	0	0
1675	Taikyu		South Korea	Temperate	mountain	0	1	0	0	0	0
1676	Koshu		South Korea	Mediterranean	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0
1678	Fuzan		South Korea	Mediterranean	mountain	1	2	0	0	0	0
1677	Saishu		South Korea	Mediterranean	mountain	1	1	0	0	0	0

 

[Generalisimo]

you could try to find "vladimir"... he is from Taiwan (IIRC), so he will probably know...
He has some mods for that zone, maybe he modded the resources... (you know about his mod because we have discussed it in the past ).
The bad thing is that almost all his webpage is in russian/chinese...

 

[JRaup]

Re: Re: State of play

Originally posted by Steel
Stybb, it's on the to-do list for a long time (Viet Minh insurrection) and already covered to some extent by the TechMod "Partisan attacks increase" modification.


This is my to-do list for the Far East:

- Rework Khalkin Ghol to get event delays (alpha testing)
- Allied Equipment to China (alpha testing)
- Chinese representation in Washington 1943
- Manchukuo signs Anti-Comintern Pact (alpha testing)
- Internal Japanese Politics (alpha testing)
- von Seekt in China
- Otto Braun in China
- Asian manpower levels
- Vietminh insurrection
- Siam events
- Bitter Peace for Japan (alpha testing)
- Korea independence (alpha testing)
- Korea civil war (alpha testing)
- Chinese civil war resumption (alpha testing)
- Late-game Chinese claims (alpha testing)
- Indonesian PETA army
- Indonesian army purge
- Indonesian independence
- Vietnam independence


I don't expect any of this to make v0.5 release.

Just to be annoying with a few additional ideas:
1. NatChi signed the Anti-Comitern Pact (I'll look up in what year).
2. Stillwell in China. His notorious row with Chiang, and more specifically, with Madame Chiang and her family. Vinegar Joe was CoS of the NatChi Army for a few years (42/43).
3. Flying the Hump. The Air supply route over the Himalayas. Probably should include a Tibet event.
4. AVG in China. Chennault is, or was, a NatChi Air leader, but a specific unit would be nice. Should be P-40 air unit.
5. US economic assistance to China. One time event in 36/37, giving China a few basic industrial techs.
6. US aid to China, post-Nanking. A few basic infantry techs, like Service Rifle, and an art'y tech or two.

 

[Generalisimo]

i've been testing the new version, and i took another look at the Kiri Project...
this is how it finish (i supose you already know that, but for the ones who doesn't know):

Japan lost 9 provinces but wins 4....

But they lost directly:
17 IC
260 coal
120 steel

and they win directly:
20 IC
40 steel
4 oil

do you know how much resources they get when China becomes a puppet??
why they lost all northern-east chinese provinces?

 

[Steel]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
Japan lost 9 provinces but wins 4....

But they lost directly:
17 IC
260 coal
120 steel

and they win directly:
20 IC
40 steel
4 oil

do you know how much resources they get when China becomes a puppet??
why they lost all northern-east chinese provinces?

100% of all resources except the last 100 in the stockpile, every day.

The Kiri Project brings all of China (including the northern parts that were previously occupied by Japan but excluding a few enclaves on the coast) under Chinese rule, but as they are puppets the Japanese achieve their goal in China - access to the resources of the land. Also remember that the provinces that Japan gives up are not core provinces for them (so 33% IC), but they do gain cores on the provinces that they gain in the peace (100% IC).

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Steel
100% of all resources except the last 100 in the stockpile, every day.

The Kiri Project brings all of China (including the northern parts that were previously occupied by Japan but excluding a few enclaves on the coast) under Chinese rule, but as they are puppets the Japanese achieve their goal in China - access to the resources of the land. Also remember that the provinces that Japan gives up are not core provinces for them (so 33% IC), but they do gain cores on the provinces that they gain in the peace (100% IC).

ok, thanks for the info....
i was in doubt to accept it or not.

 

[Ghost_dk]

japanese german trade?

Hi Steel

i was nearly going out of my mind last night trying to locate the jap events for the the japanese - German trade. Your listed as the author so in which file are they located?

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

I've not added them yet. There's almost no new events at all in v0.5. as the focus was on v1.05 integration. I can add them with the first patch to v0.5. Do you feel the trigger conditions are good enough? It seems to me they are quite focused on historical progression and a Japanese player could happily import US oil while invading the Dutch East Indies, Venezuela, Mexico, Canada... anything but the US.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Steel
I've not added them yet. There's almost no new events at all in v0.5. as the focus was on v1.05 integration. I can add them with the first patch to v0.5. Do you feel the trigger conditions are good enough? It seems to me they are quite focused on historical progression and a Japanese player could happily import US oil while invading the Dutch East Indies, Venezuela, Mexico, Canada... anything but the US.

mmm... that's bad... it should at least check for Dutch East Indies...

 

[Steel]

Sino-Japanese War

In my everlasting quest to find a good balance in the Sino-Japanese War and get the Japanese AI to fight a war in the Pacific instead of focusing on annexing NatChi, I've done the following changes:

- Marco Polo Bridge no longer starts a war with ComChi
- Going right in Japanese elections no longer make them Fascist
- ComChi start with one additional tech and now have a tech path
- Revised War Experience event for ComChi to give land doctrines instead of artillery tech
- Fort upgrades are now in progress in ComChi territory at game start (avoids panic build during war with NatChi)
- NatChi starting tech will be revised
- German and Soviet assistance to NatChi will be revised
- Japanese decision to focus on Southern Resource Area will happen earlier
- All Japanese AI files now have tech paths
- Japanese AI will use less troops in North China and more troops for amphib landings
- There will be an event for Japanese Imperial Navy commandeering 490.000 tonnes of shipping and the expansion of the Naval Air Arm in September 1940
- US-Japan events will now trigger the Tojo cabinet and bring Japan to fascism in 1941, thus leading to war with US and Allies

I've not yet decided on when ComChi will enter the war against Japan. My current thinking is that the fall of Nanjing could trigger commencement of ComChi uprisings and operations against Japan. Any other thoughts on this?

 

[Generalisimo]

Re: Sino-Japanese War

Originally posted by Steel
I've not yet decided on when ComChi will enter the war against Japan. My current thinking is that the fall of Nanjing could trigger commencement of ComChi uprisings and operations against Japan. Any other thoughts on this?

what is the change of not having ComChi at war with Japan? what would that change? after all, ComChi have only 2 provinces...

 

[Steel]

Re: Re: Sino-Japanese War

Originally posted by Generalisimo
what is the change of not having ComChi at war with Japan? what would that change? after all, ComChi have only 2 provinces...

There is no distinction between CHC and CHI for the Front AI. Therefore when Japan reaches CHC border, they build up 20-30 division force and assaults Yanan. After CHC annexation, CHI is annexed within a year. If Japan fails to defeat CHC, then they usually never manage to advance farther and never send forces for the Pacific campaign.

Removing CHC from the war means the Japanese AI ignores CHC, advances very rapidly against the Chinese, triggers the "Japan's Choice" event and then usually goes for the Pacific instead

This change also means that the CHC uprisings don't happen while the Japanese army is in north China, but rather when they are in Nanjing area - a good thing The CHC-JAP war now starts with an uprising, quite appropriate IMHO