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Originally posted by Generalisimo
this has been discused a lot and the entire community rejected to make India independent... so... :(

But we can make a Quit India event for 1942 (or whenever the Japanese occupy Burma) that would offer an ahistorical choice whereby the Brits grant India independence in exchange for staying in the Allies, which is what Nehru and Gandhi were offering....it is the ahistorical choice though so please no one panic....the historical outcome choice I think should increase dissent in the empire as a whole by at least 5-6% to reflect the fact that the majority of HM Indian subjects (over 400 million people in the late 30s out of a total population of perhaps 750 million or so) were not happy to have the demand refused and there was a series of violent riots across the subcontinent as a result. In fact had the British in reality not kept major forces in India the riots could have become something more dramatic IMHO...something that makes the UK troop levels in India in HoI really rather problematic.

As for the postwar independence event, it would have to be where there was no war with Axis and would have to have both India and Pakistan created.
 

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Also shouldn't there be options of making it one large state, 2 states (muslim-hindu) or multiple states based upon pre-Brittish india???
 

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Like what??? Can you tell me what you mean please?
 

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Well, there were ideas to make it Hyderabad, Mysore, Kashimir,...
Also there were some provinces wich were semi-independent and only joined India in the 50's...
 

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I know it's not possible to make it usable as it is but maybe it should have India and Pakistan more divided in Muslim/Hindu areas...
 

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Originally posted by emperor dennis
I know it's not possible to make it usable as it is but maybe it should have India and Pakistan more divided in Muslim/Hindu areas...
you will create what? you need a flag & shield, + minister to create a "nation" in HoI, if you divide India & Pakistan in some "fuzzy" areas, how will you manage that?
i prefer to create India & Pakistan :D
 

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I didn't say I wanted to create more nations in India I only said that some Muslim parts wich are currently part of India could go to Pakistan if Uk chooses so...
 

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Alternative way to Independence of India

Ive made some events relating the indian disturbances in 42 and the ultimatum of Indian Congress that said that they wouldn´t keep their war effort against JAP and GER if they didn´t have guarantees of independence... well, the event text describes it quite well. It includes the possibility of starting the negotiations and it can lead to a earlier independence of India some months or years after de beggining of the negotiations.

Lamentably, this events don´t include the possibility of splitting India in India and Pakistan.

I hope you like them. I think they have enough historical background to think that it would be a posibility that the british government could have preferred start the negotiations (option b)instead of facing the riots, like they did historically (option a).

##################################################################################
# 50206 ENG - Indian Congress demands to negotiate independence to continue fighting

event = {
id = 50206
trigger = {
random = 40
government = democratic
dissent = 1 #At least a little of discussion
exists = NEP #British puppets in this region with more independence degree than IND
war = { country = SOV country = GER }
war = { country = ENG country = JAP }
war = { country = USA country = JAP }
war = { country = CHI country = JAP } #Another Asian country is fighting against Japan
###Critical provs because:they have +3 IC, are in borders or have beaches (possible invasion points)
control = { province = 1459 data = ENG } #Bombay
control = { province = 1446 data = ENG } #Delhi
control = { province = 1490 data = ENG } #Calcutta
control = { province = 1580 data = ENG } #Myitkyina
control = { province = 1588 data = ENG } #Mandalay
control = { province = 1599 data = ENG } #Taung-gye
control = { province = 1594 data = ENG } #Prome
control = { province = 1590 data = ENG } #Rangoon
control = { province = 1745 data = ENG } #Moulmein
control = { province = 1450 data = ENG } #Hyderabad
control = { province = 1589 data = ENG } #Bassein
control = { province = 1468 data = ENG } #Madras
control = { province = 1451 data = ENG } #Rajkot
control = { province = 1434 data = ENG } #Gilgit
control = { province = 1583 data = ENG } #Amili
control = { province = 1438 data = ENG } #Srinagar
control = { province = 1448 data = ENG } #Quetta
control = { province = 1417 data = ENG } #Karachi


NOT = {
exists = IND
alliance = { country = ENG country = GER }
event = 3406 #independence of India
}
}
random = no
country = ENG
name = "Indian Congress demands to negotiate independence to continue fighting"
desc = "In August, 1942, the Indian Congress voted a resolution followed by a non-cooperation movement that energically criticized the british imperialist attitude and demanded to negotiate the independence of India in order to continue its fight against fascist and japanesse imperialist agression. In India, the discontent was growing due to the application of the 'Defence Agreement' between London and Delhi which stated that an important part of the Indian local founds were used to finance british war effort. There were even some factions like the one headed by Subhas Chandra Bose that thought that India should be Japanesse allied to liberate Asia from white people´s hands. The british authorities´s reaction was immediate and very hard, more than 60.000 people were arrested. The popular protest, vigourous but espontaneous and without order, was repressed, and the national movement reduced to silence until the end of the war."
style = 0

date = { day = 10 month = april year = 1942 }
offset = 60 # Check for trigger conditions every 60 days
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
name = "We´ll face riots and strikes, but this is innegotiable right now.."
command = { type = dissent value = 6 }
command = { type = industry which = 1459 value = -1 } #Riots in Bombay
command = { type = industry which = 1446 value = -1 } #Riots in Delhi
command = { type = industry which = 1490 value = -1 } #Riots in Calcutta
command = { type = manpowerpool value = -5 } #Lots of political prisioners
command = { type = sleepevent which = 50207 }
command = { type = influence value = -2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Start negotiations (independence can occur in months or years)"
command = { type = dissent value = 3 }
command = { type = minister_loyalty which = -1 value = -1 }
command = { type = minister_loyalty which = -1 value = -1 }
}
}
#######################################################################################################
# 50207 ENG - The Independence of India (compemantary to the original HoI event, it does NOT substitute it)

event = {
id = 50207
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
random = 15 # 15% chance every 2 months
event = 50206
government = democratic
atwar = yes
alliance = { country = ENG country = SOV }
alliance = { country = ENG country = USA }
exists = CHI
###Critical provs because:they have +3 IC, are in borders or have beaches (possible invasion points)
control = { province = 1459 data = ENG } #Bombay
control = { province = 1446 data = ENG } #Delhi
control = { province = 1490 data = ENG } #Calcutta
control = { province = 1580 data = ENG } #Myitkyina
control = { province = 1588 data = ENG } #Mandalay
control = { province = 1599 data = ENG } #Taung-gye
control = { province = 1594 data = ENG } #Prome
control = { province = 1590 data = ENG } #Rangoon
control = { province = 1745 data = ENG } #Moulmein
control = { province = 1450 data = ENG } #Hyderabad
control = { province = 1589 data = ENG } #Bassein
control = { province = 1468 data = ENG } #Madras
control = { province = 1451 data = ENG } #Rajkot
control = { province = 1434 data = ENG } #Gilgit
control = { province = 1583 data = ENG } #Amili
control = { province = 1438 data = ENG } #Srinagar
control = { province = 1448 data = ENG } #Quetta
control = { province = 1417 data = ENG } #Karachi
NOT = {
exists = IND
}
}

name = "The Independence of India"
desc = "The negotiations and processes towards the independence of India started after the popular protests and the Indian Congress demands had arrived to their critical point. Everything is ready for India to rule its own destiny and continue the fight against fascism and japanesse imperialism as a free nation and close allied of the United Kingdom. Many englishmen are against this measure, as the India has been a part of the dominions of the British Crown since a long time ago, and during all this time we have administrated it with justice accordingly with the important role it has in our economy and resource pool. Anyway, is our compromise with History to decide the future of our dominions in the fairest possible way."
style = 0

date = { day = 5 month = december year = 1942 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
name = "India will be a free and allied nation"
command = { type = independence which = IND value = 1 }
command = { type = trigger which = 50208 }
}
action_b = {
name = "No!, it would signal the death of the Empire!"
command = { type = dissent value = 15 }
}
}

#######################################################################################################
# 50208 IND - The Independence of India

event = {
id = 50208
random = no
country = IND

#Triggered by ENG 50207

name = "The Independence of India"
desc = "The negotiations and processes towards the independence of India started after the popular protests and the Indian Congress demands had arrived to their critical point. Since 1876, when Queen Victoria was proclamed empress of India, the country has been administrated by the British government. In 1935, after a series of conferences in London between british and indian politicians, the British Parliament approved the Government of India Act. This gave some degree of self-government to India, but it remained a dominion of the British Crown, what didn´t fully satisfy indian nationalists. After many years of protests like those headed by Mahatma Gandhi, independence has come at last. From this moment we will continue the fight against fascism and japanesse imperialism as a free nation and close allied of the United Kingdom. Finally, occidental politicians have understood that the era of imperialism and colonialism is getting to its end, and that the Asian people is ready to rule our own destiny."
style = 0


action_a = {
name = "India will be a free nation and allied with United Kingdom"
command = { type = alliance which = ENG }
command = { type = influence value = 2 }
command = { type = access which = ENG }
command = { type = add_division which = infantry }
command = { type = add_division which = infantry }
command = { type = add_division which = militia }
command = { type = add_division which = militia }
command = { type = trigger which = 50209 }
}

}

#######################################################################################################
# 50209 ENG - India, an independent and allied nation

event = {
id = 50209
random = no
country = ENG

#Triggered by IND 50208

name = "India, an independent and allied nation "
desc = "The negotiations and processes towards the independence of India started after the popular protests and the Indian Congress demands had arrived to their critical point. Since 1876, when Queen Victoria was proclamed empress of India, the country has been administrated by the British government. In 1935, after a series of conferences in London between british and indian politicians, the British Parliament approved the Government of India Act. This gave some degree of self-government to India, but it remained a dominion of the British Crown, what didn´t fully satisfy indian nationalists. After many years of protests like those headed by Mahatma Gandhi, independence has come at last. From this moment they will continue the fight against fascism and japanesse imperialism as a free nation and close allied of the United Kingdom."
style = 0


action_a = {
name = "La India será una nación libre y aliada con Reino Unido" # They cannot be held back any longer
command = { type = access which = IND }
}
}
 
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Originally posted by Generalisimo
it looks good :)
you should add military access ENG to IND (and maybe even IND to ENG) ;)

Mmmm, im not sure because this military acces would remain after the war is over. Doesn´t alliance status give the same access in your allies territory?
 

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Originally posted by nachinus
Mmmm, im not sure because this military acces would remain after the war is over. Doesn´t alliance status give the same access in your allies territory?
well, when i invade North Africa with Nationalist Spain, i must get access through Vichy to draw a supply line...
if not, why Paradox will include the military access for all the CW members in 1.03? this was not included in previous versions, but now it is (in previous versions, only ENG had access through the others, now they all have). ;)
i thought it worked like that.... :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Generalisimo
well, when i invade North Africa with Nationalist Spain, i must get access through Vichy to draw a supply line...
if not, why Paradox will include the military access for all the CW members in 1.03? this was not included in previous versions, but now it is (in previous versions, only ENG had access through the others, now they all have). ;)
i thought it worked like that.... :rolleyes:

Ok, i didn´t know that. Then it´s clear that i need to add the military access.:)
 

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Ive made it, i edited the post and gave ENG access over IND and viceversa... well, the events worked fine before this modification, let´s hope they keep working now.

I fear that adding the acces = IND line in the same event that creates IND can give problems, because it gives acces through a country that doesn´t exist until you click that option:confused: In that case there would be necesary another evant for ENG that gives that access.. brrrr:( :(
 

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Some other possible Uk events:
When France falls and thus before the battle of Britain you could have an event "the Brittish people fully support the governement in the defence of Britain" (increases AA in major industrial centres, dissent and supply loss)
When the Germans control one of the beach provinces you can have "the UK rally the Home Guard" wich gives them -5 dissent, - a lot of supplies and they get 30 (yes 30, it may even be a buit low in comparison to reality) militia divisions.
 

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Originally posted by emperor dennis
Some other possible Uk events:
When France falls and thus before the battle of Britain you could have an event "the Brittish people fully support the governement in the defence of Britain" (increases AA in major industrial centres, dissent and supply loss)
When the Germans control one of the beach provinces you can have "the UK rally the Home Guard" wich gives them -5 dissent, - a lot of supplies and they get 30 (yes 30, it may even be a buit low in comparison to reality) militia divisions.
i can assure you that the AI builds all those 30 militia (even more) that you said, no need for an event :D
 

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Maybe a manpower boost :D ??? I want a Home Guard to stop those Jerry's !!! :)