C.O.R.E HOI - Commonwealth Nations (UK-SAF-CAN-IND-AST-NZL)

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Originally posted by Steel
AFAIK the US should be drowning in resources. Potential issues are over-building of IC, convoys/events sending oil to allies, loss of capital (unlikely), poor conversion tech (unlikely) or bad world trades (quite likely).

Ok, I'll run a test with IC developed only until 1939 and no deals whatsoever (in HoI US doesn't need foreign resources at all).

It's really frustrating when Germany roam all over the Europe and Asia, and US got problems with economy...
Ok, no more American talk here - it's Empire thread after all!

 

[MateDow]

London Naval Confernce of 1936

I am brainstorming an event about the London Naval Conference. That could provide a good dissent help when they 'prevent' war even if Japan doesn't sign the treaty. It is on the 'to do list' along with some other naval events, but I figured that I would put it on the table for others to comment on. MDow

 

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Originally posted by JRaup
You see the problem. Right now, I'm not sure as to how it will code out, if it will at all. It can be done, but my question would be, is it worth it? after a rough outline, I get like 15 interlinked events for this. A bit of a memory hog for the engine, and considering the CORE mod as a whole. Not sure how to slim it down, but I'll get something more definitive on paper and post something this weekend.

I'd love to see it. For now, I just have what I wrote in my games, just mainly to add a bit of flavor. But if you can come up with something better, that would be great!

 

[JRaup]

Originally posted by Halibutt
The problem with the sources on Enigma is that during almost 50 years after WWII polish part of the work has been completelyt denied. Every child knew that these were the brits at Bletchley Park who did it. Full stop. But recently the things have changed - finally. The Brits gave back lots of polish intelligence documents and opened their archives related to Bletchley Park and - at last - credited Rozycki, Zygalski and Rejewski. There is a nice article on it on that site (here).
Cheers

Actually, that's not what was contradicted. The issue where I have different information is on how Enigma was acquired by the Poles. My sources say that the Polish Postal Authority purchased several Enigma machines prior to the Germans snatching them up. The original patent owner was desparate to get someone to buy them, and sold several cheap to the Polish PS. It was from this purchase that the Poles were able to decipher some German diplomatic and military transmissions in the late 30's. And again, the French initially rejected the offer of the Enigma machines until Poland fell, and Britain rejected them until France fell. Britain never would have cracked enigma if it hadn't been for the work of the Poles, and further work by teh French.

 

[Halibutt]

Originally posted by JRaup
Actually, that's not what was contradicted. The issue where I have different information is on how Enigma was acquired by the Poles. My sources say that the Polish Postal Authority purchased several Enigma machines prior to the Germans snatching them up. The original patent owner was desparate to get someone to buy them, and sold several cheap to the Polish PS. It was from this purchase that the Poles were able to decipher some German diplomatic and military transmissions in the late 30's. And again, the French initially rejected the offer of the Enigma machines until Poland fell, and Britain rejected them until France fell. Britain never would have cracked enigma if it hadn't been for the work of the Poles, and further work by teh French.

Never heard of your version of the story. It doesn't seem too credible, though.
Cheers

 

[Steel]

Dambusters raid

FYI - I've coded events for the destruction of the Mohne and Eder dams. If anybody can tell me which province should be hit with IC and infra loss then I'd appreciate it, after reviewing the maps in "Bomber Offensive" by Noble Frankland I've placed it in Essen (#559 ) but I'm not sure if this is appropriate.

 

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Originally posted by oz bones
Japan is already accounted for in those events and as far as war with Russia goes, one hopes that outcome is marginalised in future patchs and if not I would think the effect would be far less as the socialists and communists had a large following in Australia. Probably Australia would have even stayed out of a war with Russia. So in that case no event required.

I would disagree. Australia sent a lot of troops (at work, do not have exact figures) there in 1919-1920. I think given the attitude of the government at the time, "If England thought it needed to be done, then it needed to be done"

 

[JRaup]

Abdication of Edward VIII

I think I've got this down to a "reasonable" chain. It pans out to about 15 events in the chain (!), some of which are just flavor, with no effect. This is actually more than I originally was looking at, but doesn't involve triggers that are 40+ lines long.

Is this worth pursuing still?

 

[Vulture]

Re: Dambusters raid

Originally posted by Steel
FYI - I've coded events for the destruction of the Mohne and Eder dams. If anybody can tell me which province should be hit with IC and infra loss then I'd appreciate it, after reviewing the maps in "Bomber Offensive" by Noble Frankland I've placed it in Essen (#559 ) but I'm not sure if this is appropriate.

I'd say Köln or Essen

 

[Generalisimo]

Re: Abdication of Edward VIII

Originally posted by JRaup
I think I've got this down to a "reasonable" chain. It pans out to about 15 events in the chain (!), some of which are just flavor, with no effect. This is actually more than I originally was looking at, but doesn't involve triggers that are 40+ lines long.

Is this worth pursuing still?

if you post more or less the ideas of the 15 events, we could take a look at them.

 

[JRaup]

Re: Re: Abdication of Edward VIII

Originally posted by Generalisimo
if you post more or less the ideas of the 15 events, we could take a look at them.

Well, my original idea invlolved optional responses from the Commonwealth nations, which would have meant some 243 different combinations of posisble outcomes from those choices. So, instead of having trigger lines longer than an Icelandic epic, I went with the following:

1. George V dies, Edward becomes King
2. Edward decides to marry Simpson. (Dissent +10)
3. Crisis of the Monarchy, London consults the Commonwealth. (Dissent +5)
4. Notice of Consultation events for Canada, Ireland, australia, New Zealand, and S.Africa. (Flavor only)
5. Final decision of Parliament:
A. Force Abdication (Democracy +10, Dissent -15, install George VI)
B. Simpson as Consort (Fascism +10, dissent -5)
C. Simpson as Queen (Fascism +15)

that's the general outline.

 

[Sonic]

Moral Bombing 43-45

I´m currently reading a book (als Feuer vom Himmel fiel) about the Moral Bombing campain over Germany 43-45.

I see this as a new minor event for UK and possibly GER. Played 0.4 as both Germany and UK you cannot force the AI to strategic bombing waves either side. I do not know how well human players do, but I´ve never researched strategic bombers, mainly because the just limited success. IC drop just for a few days....

option A: yes
UK dissent +3 (It was still controversial)
UK supplies -5000
UK manpower -100
GER dissent +8
GER IC -20
GER manpower -250 It was not only IC lost but mainly manpower

option B: no
...?


Triggers:
Check if Chuchill is still in government (He was who issued the order) even if he said: Are we still human? after he saw the devasting fire of Hamburg July-August 43

Check if war GER-UK (of course)

Check if UK has proper Research (probably improved strategic Bombers)

Check if Arthur Harries is still active (Commander of Royal Air Force or to get it right: Chief of Strategic Air Command)

I think it would be best if we could check if GER ever bombed UK - but I don´t think this is possible.

Further check if France is defeated in mainland Europe

As answere from GER I think about project "Himmelbett" wich was a screen of AA guns and Lights about 1500km long, reaching from the Netherlands to almost Switzerland

event GER

option A: We must something do about it

Gain a lot of AA in these provinces

GER manpower -100

GER supplies -1000

I do not think there should be an B option, just because GER had to react after all.

I know this is still controversial after all and I do not know what you think about it. Just an idea. If this is not politically correct just ignore this post.


Cheers

 

[Steel]

There's a good thread about strategic bombers in the General Discussion forum -> here <- about the effectiveness of strategic bombers. I think most players are put off by what seems to be a lack of impact but having been on the receiving side I can assure you that strat. bombing is viable with mid and late war bombers.

 

[Sonic]

AA

As long as the AA bug is not fixed (hopefully will) The AI never makes it through such provinces. And - I ve tried this as Germany- the AI always tries to fly through 2 or 3 provinces in Europe mainland. (Amsterdam, Hamburg, and Caen) Just there I had concentrated several Fighter divs. The AI tries head-on again and again - till he dissolves. Never tries to go around these provinces.

Bug or no bug???


MfG

Sonic

 

[MateDow]

Commonwealth Naval Events

I am brainstorming a few naval events for the commonwealth nations. The idea is that the countries will have the option to build units more technologically advanced than they have through the use of these events. My questions for you are...

Are these events realistic?

Which countries should participate?

What types of vessels would be their priorities?

Thank you for your help. MDow

 

[Halibutt]

Re: Commonwealth Naval Events

Originally posted by MateDow
I am brainstorming a few naval events for the commonwealth nations. The idea is that the countries will have the option to build units more technologically advanced than they have through the use of these events. My questions for you are...(...)

This one seems a little tricky. You should try to maintain the in-game balance, so do not give them too much.
Cheers

 

[Steel]

I'm not familiar with Commonwealth fleets but would expect that transports and destroyers would be the best units, with an occassional cruiser for backbone. As long as the numbers are small and there is some in-game cost, I don't see a big issue here.

 

[JRaup]

Originally posted by Steel
I'm not familiar with Commonwealth fleets but would expect that transports and destroyers would be the best units, with an occassional cruiser for backbone. As long as the numbers are small and there is some in-game cost, I don't see a big issue here.

These are probably better handled by having an event that "sells" the ships to a Commonwelath country from UK, or transfers them from RN to RCN or RAN or RNZN or whatever.

 

[JRaup]

re Strategic Bombers

I've seen teh AI just go head on against AA and fighters with no regard before, as has been mentioned. And, as we can't control the AI use of SB's very well, some events may make some things even out.
We already have the Dam Buster raids in as events. I'm working on the Luftwaffe raids on Coventry and Belfast, and we should probably also have the fure bombing of Dresden and Hamburg. I'm debating on giving the UK a choice to intercept the Coventry and Belfast raids, but I'm unsure of what the consequences for tipping their hand about Enigma should be. Any suggestions?

 

[Steel]

Remember there's bugs relating to AA and the values that are in v0.4 is only a rushed first pass at fixing this. Perhaps strategic bombers should have far higher ground defence.

About raids on civilian targets, what are your thoughts on that? There has to be a choice for the human player not to do it IMHO, as it's civilian targets we have to tread carefully if they are to be included.