I say level 1 becuase they were being revamped. But they were there since 1889 :-/
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If so then Poland should definitely get the forts I was writing some half a year ago. Modlin fortress (Ostroleka province, at least level 2), Torun (although I don't know the exact date of opening, will have to check it) and Silesia (the idiotic Cieszyn province) - at least level one (old german fortifications constantly refurbished until August 1939). Also, Poland should have some fortbuilding priorities as we were building them constantly and in quite a big number.
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God, not this "I've seen photos of nice bunker" topic again... 
I think all fortifications of level 1 are so easy to build, that we should leave it to players decision. For historical accuracy we can add these to AI construction priorities, ok?
I think all fortifications of level 1 are so easy to build, that we should leave it to players decision. For historical accuracy we can add these to AI construction priorities, ok?
i prefer that approach...Originally posted by Copper Nicus
God, not this "I've seen photos of nice bunker" topic again...
I think all fortifications of level 1 are so easy to build, that we should leave it to players decision. For historical accuracy we can add these to AI construction priorities, ok?
Fixed 'Benes warns Stalin' event
I fixed a bug that prevented it from firing: Benes is HeadofState and no HeadofGovernment. The triggers are correct now.
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# 652008 CZE- Benes warns Stalin (by nachinus)
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event = {
id = 652008
trigger = {
random = 15 #15% Each month the triggers are met
headofstate = 24001 #Benes
minister = 4002 #Stalin is active
atwar = no
event = 2000 #Re-occupation of Rhineland
NOT = {
OR = { # none of this must happen
event = 2609 #Great Officier Purge Begins
alliance = { country = CZE country = GER }
alliance = { country = SOV country = GER }
war = { country = SOV country = GER }
war = { country = SOV country = FIN }
dissent = 15
alignment = fascist
}
}
}
random = no
country = CZE
name = "President Benes suspects about a conspiration against Stalin"
desc = "At the end of 1936, Edvard Benes, president of the Republic of Czechoslovakia, discovered that through the soviet embassy in Prague, Russian important personalities and the German government were changing information as a part of he called military and old-guard communist conspiracy to get ride of Stalin and install a new regime closer to Germany. It is possible that the information that Benes had was communicated to the Czech police by the Soviet police, that desired thathis information was presented to Stalin from a friendly foreign source. Anyway, Benes´ service to the Soviet leader, put him against Germany and earned him Stain´s gratitude."
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1936 }
offset = 30 # Check for trigger conditions every 30 days
deathdate = { day = 1 month = march year = 1939 }
action_a = {
name = "Communicate Stalin what we know."
command = { type = alignment which = fascist value = -5 }
command = { type = alignment which = communist value = 10 }
command = { type = influence value = 2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Undercover Germany´s intervention in the conspiracy."
command = { type = alignment which = fascist value = 10 }
command = { type = alignment which = communist value = -5 }
command = { type = dissent value = 3 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Stand apart, surely Stalin already knows."
command = { type = influence value = -2 }
}
}
I fixed a bug that prevented it from firing: Benes is HeadofState and no HeadofGovernment.
The triggers are correct now.##################################################################################
# 652008 CZE- Benes warns Stalin (by nachinus)
##################################################################################
event = {
id = 652008
trigger = {
random = 15 #15% Each month the triggers are met
headofstate = 24001 #Benes
minister = 4002 #Stalin is active
atwar = no
event = 2000 #Re-occupation of Rhineland
NOT = {
OR = { # none of this must happen
event = 2609 #Great Officier Purge Begins
alliance = { country = CZE country = GER }
alliance = { country = SOV country = GER }
war = { country = SOV country = GER }
war = { country = SOV country = FIN }
dissent = 15
alignment = fascist
}
}
}
random = no
country = CZE
name = "President Benes suspects about a conspiration against Stalin"
desc = "At the end of 1936, Edvard Benes, president of the Republic of Czechoslovakia, discovered that through the soviet embassy in Prague, Russian important personalities and the German government were changing information as a part of he called military and old-guard communist conspiracy to get ride of Stalin and install a new regime closer to Germany. It is possible that the information that Benes had was communicated to the Czech police by the Soviet police, that desired thathis information was presented to Stalin from a friendly foreign source. Anyway, Benes´ service to the Soviet leader, put him against Germany and earned him Stain´s gratitude."
style = 0
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1936 }
offset = 30 # Check for trigger conditions every 30 days
deathdate = { day = 1 month = march year = 1939 }
action_a = {
name = "Communicate Stalin what we know."
command = { type = alignment which = fascist value = -5 }
command = { type = alignment which = communist value = 10 }
command = { type = influence value = 2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Undercover Germany´s intervention in the conspiracy."
command = { type = alignment which = fascist value = 10 }
command = { type = alignment which = communist value = -5 }
command = { type = dissent value = 3 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Stand apart, surely Stalin already knows."
command = { type = influence value = -2 }
}
}
Re: Fixed 'Benes warns Stalin' event
DoneOriginally posted by nachinus
I fixed a bug that prevented it from firing: Benes is HeadofState and no HeadofGovernment.
Greek events assistance
I need the help of someone that is familiar with Greek politics in the early years of the game to give local flavor to a naval construction event that I am polishing. I would like to include some names of local political figures and other details. Let me know if you would be interested. MDow
I need the help of someone that is familiar with Greek politics in the early years of the game to give local flavor to a naval construction event that I am polishing. I would like to include some names of local political figures and other details. Let me know if you would be interested. MDow
Ok, a big question (especially to Copper Nicus):
I know that there are plans to include the TechMod into next C.O.R.E. release. I haven't tried this mod so I do not know what tech applications are there. The question is: are the tech aplications of most of Central-European nations more historical or more balanced? (for instance can Poland build PZL P-37, or is it still impossible?).
The reason I ask is that I was thinking of a sieries of events for all the central european countries simulating their own projects. Is it needed?
Cheers
I know that there are plans to include the TechMod into next C.O.R.E. release. I haven't tried this mod so I do not know what tech applications are there. The question is: are the tech aplications of most of Central-European nations more historical or more balanced? (for instance can Poland build PZL P-37, or is it still impossible?).
The reason I ask is that I was thinking of a sieries of events for all the central european countries simulating their own projects. Is it needed?
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Yes lets make it even harder for Germany to lose.
Perhaps when Germany can actually beat poland in 4 weeks, but they cant now.
Over and over again...Originally posted by Burris
Yes lets make it even harder for Germany to lose.
Perhaps when Germany can actually beat poland in 4 weeks, but they cant now.
Burris, the difference between the Krauts and any other modern army was in the doctrines, not in the tanks or carbines - at least until 1941. Actually in 1940 most of the german tanks were still inferior to polish or french. So why the Krauts are allowed to build them while Poland is not?
Moreover, even the great constructions that were introduced in 1936 (like the best light/medium bomber of its' times PZL P-37 'Los' - speed and ceiling comparable to any of the bombers of its' class, higher manouevrability and bombload) are still unavailable in 1939 (unless you develop only the bomber techs...).
I do not argue that polish or czechoslovak army should be equal to that of Germany. I only think that we should make them have the correct, historical tech applications. The Krauts will win anyway, as they should have more improvements, higher IC, different build priorities and more doctrines.
And as a sidenote - I suppose the 4 weeks you dream of were taken out of the blue. In reality Germany was able to defeat Poland in 5 weeks only (only) because Stalin invaded from the east. This cannot be simulated properly in HoI, so we should treat the Polish-German war as a conflict between two countries, not three. And even now the german AI is pretty good in defeating Poland in two months...
Cheers
Edit/ Poland with correct tech applications, building priorities set to infantry and obsolete fighters and with reinforce and attack rates tweaked is still easily defeatable. Believe me, I've checked it.
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Italy made some great aircraft in 1936, that doesn't mean they were good during WWII..
Check this site for comparison (the stats of all the middle bombers of the time are in the middle of the page).
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And the forts I was mentioning were really there. If we decided to include the Maginot Line, fortifications in the Low Countries and even the Stalin Line, then why Poland shouldn't get the petty two or three fortified provinces? I don't get it.
Cheers
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Add them, and see how long poland lasts. Its going to be alot longer then they do now.
and any longer is not a good thing, you may be Polish, but when Poland can last for a long time...
So how long (approximately) should it last? Two months? Less?
And if more, then... what? Note that neither of the provinces (except for Warsaw itself) has any VPs.
Cheers
I'm not against polish forts. At least if they are built against human player.
About PZL P.37 Los, I dont see what's the problem here it's listed in the models.csv. I dug out and here's something of what I found there:
MODEL_POL_11_1 PZL P.37 Los
MODEL_POL_11_2 PZL P.49 Mis
MODEL_POL_12_0 PZL P.23 Karas
MODEL_POL_12_1 PZL P.46 Sum
The techtree in techmod(I'm speaking of CORE techmod 0.28) had almost similar bomber techs as the standard Paradox one. Only diffirence I remember at the moment is the multiple gun turrets and a bit different prereqs. Should there be new techs for bombers? Cant we cope with the existing techs?
About PZL P.37 Los, I dont see what's the problem here it's listed in the models.csv. I dug out and here's something of what I found there:
MODEL_POL_11_1 PZL P.37 Los
MODEL_POL_11_2 PZL P.49 Mis
MODEL_POL_12_0 PZL P.23 Karas
MODEL_POL_12_1 PZL P.46 Sum
The techtree in techmod(I'm speaking of CORE techmod 0.28) had almost similar bomber techs as the standard Paradox one. Only diffirence I remember at the moment is the multiple gun turrets and a bit different prereqs. Should there be new techs for bombers? Cant we cope with the existing techs?
BTW I forgot to say that the plastic model on the PZL site looks really good. Nice link Halibutt!
The problem with it is that Poland IRL started to build PZL P-37 as early as 1936/37 (first series ready spring 1937). In vanilla HoI - no matter how hard you try - you cannot build them earlier than 1938. And the AI will never-ever reach that level.Originally posted by Icer
I'm not against polish forts. At least if they are built against human player.
About PZL P.37 Los, I dont see what's the problem here it's listed in the models.csv. I dug out and here's something of what I found there
As to the forts: I've just ran five quick handsoff testgames (as Equador). I did not know where exactly is the info on forts located, so I just started a new game with Poland, ordered them to build these forts (Danzig, Warszawa, Ostroleka and Silesia) and then reloaded as Equador. And what? In four out of my five games the results were as follows:
Poland annexed
- Oct 7
- Oct 22 (two counteroffensives in Radom!)
- Oct 5
- Oct 19 (a massacre battle in Warsaw - almost 15 days!)
In the fifth game Poland folded into german demands and gave away Danzig. In short words: Poland is still a little bit underpowered as in 50% of the games it is annexed much too early (as it is fighting on one front only), and the forts made little or no difference. Burris, do you want me to send you a savegame?
Cheers
Well I guess this is a common problem with any AI controlled country. We could try to tweak the research AI priorities etc.
I have not tried to play Poland yet so I'm not going to comment what they can research or build. Maybe I will try it later.
I'm not sure but it could be even harder fo Poland to build or research PZL when the CORE techmod is included. Just a hunch.