C.O.R.E. Events Writing Help Desk

[Steel]

The problem is probably that Denmark is a puppet. We've had a lot of problems with the peace command so I would really not recommend that we include it.

For now I will remove command = { type = leave_alliance } #no expeditionary forces as it is not working ok. I've also increased the offset value.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Steel
The problem is probably that Denmark is a puppet. We've had a lot of problems with the peace command so I would really not recommend that we include it.

For now I will remove command = { type = leave_alliance } #no expeditionary forces as it is not working ok. I've also increased the offset value.

Is it possible to give denmark very high garrison values in its remaining provinces and that way keep them from giving up units for exp. forces.

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

Nope If you want to stop them sending exp-forces then Denmark will have to be a neutral... If they are a neutral then Germany may end up DOWing them... The only other alternative IMHO is completely disarming them (remove all units and all IC).

 

[Ghost_dk]

Originally posted by Steel
Nope If you want to stop them sending exp-forces then Denmark will have to be a neutral... If they are a neutral then Germany may end up DOWing them... The only other alternative IMHO is completely disarming them (remove all units and all IC).

ok. I guess i will have to live with the danish exp. forces for now then. removing the units would make many of my other events
useless

I dont think it will be necessary to remove the IC because with the increased supply use, most puppeted nations wont hardly have enough working IC to produce the necessary supplies and not the slightest chance of using IC on research or building. I'veseen this with slovakie, even with convoy working and 45 trp's in it they cant produce anything. Thish is because the ai doesnt recognize that they are recieveing supplies from germany and still tries to meed their demands on their own


Ghost_dk

 

[Ghost_dk]

manpower level in provinces

Hi.

Do we have a way of adjusting manpower output from provinces?

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

Re: manpower level in provinces

Originally posted by Ghost_dk
Hi.

Do we have a way of adjusting manpower output from provinces?

Ghost_dk

Yes, both in events and in starting setup. Check provinces.inc and mpb.txt for examples.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Re: Re: manpower level in provinces

Originally posted by Steel
Yes, both in events and in starting setup. Check provinces.inc and mpb.txt for examples.

great. In that case i wont strip danish IC but Danish Manpower instead in the danish puppet events we discussed in the regional tread

this will eliminiate any new danish units being created = no exp. forces once the danish military is "quarantined" in their bases.

Ghost_dk

 

[unmerged(14683)]

Re: Re: Re: manpower level in provinces

Originally posted by Ghost_dk
great. In that case i wont strip danish IC but Danish Manpower instead in the danish puppet events we discussed in the regional tread

this will eliminiate any new danish units being created = no exp. forces once the danish military is "quarantined" in their bases.

Ghost_dk

Kind of idea... how about doing the same to other Axis allies (in case of AI = yes situation)? Like "We won't die for the Third Reich" event? Right now Axis allies are 1/3 part of German forces, and really helps them win.

Historically those countries were able to train a lot of divisions, but they were sending much less units to support Wehrmacht directly.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Re: Re: Re: Re: manpower level in provinces

Originally posted by Copper Nicus
Kind of idea... how about doing the same to other Axis allies (in case of AI = yes situation)? Like "We won't die for the Third Reich" event? Right now Axis allies are 1/3 part of German forces, and really helps them win.

Historically those countries were able to train a lot of divisions, but they were sending much less units to support Wehrmacht directly.

yes, that would be a good idea, maybe lovering the manpower total of the allies to maybe ½ or even 1/3 of their original values.

Ghost_dk

 

[Steel]

There's been several comments from Max and Vulture on this, to para-phrase "the AI does not handle low manpower well". This is based on Paradox beta feedback. Something to keep in mind as this would potentially change game balance a lot and potentially break the AI countries even more.

 

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Originally posted by Steel
There's been several comments from Max and Vulture on this, to para-phrase "the AI does not handle low manpower well". This is based on Paradox beta feedback. Something to keep in mind as this would potentially change game balance a lot and potentially break the AI countries even more.

No one talks about making their mapower level and grow zero (well, ghost talks about that, not I ).
In case of Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria lowering units output got good expaination - they simply were not as much in the war as HoI implies (especially Bulgaria). And we are not able to simulate properly their work as a garrison forces in Yugoslavia.

From those countires only Romania was serious frontline force (2 armies send on the Eastern Front), Hungary had much less troops. And right now even Vichy sends corps size units as a support...

Other idea - does the rise (really high rise) of garrison pririority (vs front) in AI lowers amount of units send as a expeditionary force? Not sure about that how exactly AI decides, thet it can send some troops to it's ally, but if they are taken only from "front" pool, then rising garrison levels might help in keeping those Axis minors at home.

 

[Steel]

Well, I wasn't talking about zero manpower either Perhaps there is a call for reducing initial manpower pools (as has already been done for some countries) and only restoring them once Germany is at war. If somebody is willing to test this and especially study how it affects AI build queue, then perhaps it can be implemented.

Regarding expeditionary forces, AFAIK the answer is no. Setting max_garrison to 1.0 will not stop expeditionary forces from being sent.

 

[Ghost_dk]

Hi steel

I tried to use your example for the manpower commands.

they seem to work for your chinese event but event though i cut and paste from your event and only change the province number i get error msg's for those commands.

Im sending you the single event and hope that you can find our whats wrong.

ghost_dk

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Copper Nicus
No one talks about making their mapower level and grow zero (well, ghost talks about that, not I ).
In case of Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria lowering units output got good expaination - they simply were not as much in the war as HoI implies (especially Bulgaria). And we are not able to simulate properly their work as a garrison forces in Yugoslavia.

From those countires only Romania was serious frontline force (2 armies send on the Eastern Front), Hungary had much less troops. And right now even Vichy sends corps size units as a support...

Other idea - does the rise (really high rise) of garrison pririority (vs front) in AI lowers amount of units send as a expeditionary force? Not sure about that how exactly AI decides, thet it can send some troops to it's ally, but if they are taken only from "front" pool, then rising garrison levels might help in keeping those Axis minors at home.

well, i do not think reducing manpower will do any better... the AI will start using it to build planes, the "lowest cost" (in MP) unit....
We have to think a better idea to stop EF, this will do more harm than good to the game...
Actually, i do not think there is a good way to stop EF... ... we need a command on the AI file to allow EF or not...

 

[Steel]

Invalid trigger

Heads-up!

Originally posted by Maximilian I
ai = no is not a valid trigger.

This is used in the following files:

- antarctic.txt (Steel)
- core_Hard.txt (Copper Nicus)
- core_Tech.txt (Copper Nicus)
- french_fort.txt (Generalisimo)

We all need to re-think our event design to correct this. Please note that NOT = { ai = yes} is also invalid according to Max.

 

[jdrou]

re: ai = no

Note the possible workaround I posted in that same thread: have an event at the start of the game with trigger ai = yes then other events can test whether that event fired. (Would need one of these events for each country needing ai = no triggers later).

 

[Generalisimo]

Re: re: ai = no

Originally posted by jdrou
Note the possible workaround I posted in that same thread: have an event at the start of the game with trigger ai = yes then other events can test whether that event fired. (Would need one of these events for each country needing ai = no triggers later).

bad news Steel....
but jdrou solution appears to be the more apropiate...

 

[Steel]

Re: Re: re: ai = no

Originally posted by Generalisimo
bad news Steel....
but jdrou solution appears to be the more apropiate...

Yes, jdrou solution is good and would probably resolve 95% of the problems. OTOH we can probably save ourselves a potential 80 events by just adding a default flag to the AI files, first step is obviously the majors and then we can add flags to the minors as needed. If the flag isn't there, then it's a human player Apart from the reduced event count this should also help avoid issues when loading a game in progress as another country.

 

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Re: Invalid trigger

Originally posted by Steel
Heads-up!



This is used in the following files:

- antarctic.txt (Steel)
- core_Hard.txt (Copper Nicus)
- core_Tech.txt (Copper Nicus)
- french_fort.txt (Generalisimo)

We all need to re-think our event design to correct this. Please note that NOT = { ai = yes} is also invalid according to Max.

???

Are you kiddin'? All difficulty level event chain works on ai = no, and it never fired for AI. Looks like on that matter we should use our experiece, and maybe send Max PM on that matter...

 

[Steel]

Re: Re: Invalid trigger

Originally posted by Copper Nicus
???

Are you kiddin'? All difficulty level event chain works on ai = no, and it never fired for AI. Looks like on that matter we should use our experiece, and maybe send Max PM on that matter...

I'm certainly not kidding. We have two options:

1 - Stick our collective head in the sand and say "We've not seen a problem so it does not exist" and do nothing. That might work and it seems to have worked so far

2 - Do a trivial fix (include flags in all major AI nation files and check for flag in events instead of using ai trigger). Should be all of five minutes work for each of us and it makes certain that there will not be any problems.

To help understand if we should do option 1 or 2 I asked for clarification and this is the response I got:

Johan stated that this trigger (AI = NO ) is not in the code

I think the conclusion is pretty clear.