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Dutch AAR
After Sweden had tricked the Dutch in to think that they were peacing we let England white peace Sweden as we though that we would also paece Sweden now. Instead Sweden gathered some 60.000 men with G2A in Danish Germany and attacked us with the reason: "I changed my mind". G2A was defeated in Amsterdam and ran like a little girl with the remainder of the Swedish army. Then we peaced Sweden which kept saying that they didnt want to rape us. The peace treaty left us with Zeeland and Holland, they took four provinces in Europe and all our colonies in NA. Nonetheless, enough about the trecherous Swedes.
After we peaced Sweden we started to build up our economy and increase our colonies. We colonised Madagascar, Southern South America, Tahiti, Samoa, Sri Lanka. We took control over the Center of Trade in Malacca.
Our income increased to pre-war status and our techs were cheaper than ever, all thanks to Sweden which had thought theyd hurt us by taking all of the Dutch cores, instead it helped us to build up after the war and tech some.
Holland now took contact with Spain and Portugal and made some new friends. Holland is now a part of the Iberian alliance and hopes to continue this. The alliance we are now part of has allowed us to increase our trade as well, although increasing it in the Portuguese Centers of Trade will take a little more time.
AAR Reward: 1 Deflation if there is still time
Well, my old wet dream was realized in this game to play with good player in pair for Iberians to let Portugal go naval and Spain - land and not to lose the sea and CoTs.
The worst was the lack of strait between Gibraltar and Tangier, which would allow to increase greatly portugal naval limit if given Andalussia and Gibraltar. At the other point Kasperus map has much more provinces for colonization, so it guarantee to appearing CoTs in certain areas, which you can`t hope in vanilla.
It was planned to go reformed, which demanded to be small for a long time not to convert colonies after all. Spain should protect Tago not to let anyone to steal maps, and first 50-60 years of the game Portugal can`t help to Spain and Austria, otherwise it took part of Spanish troops.
At the first session, plans were realized - Portugal teched to NT9 and LT9 as first priority to secure maps and assault pagans. As usual small CoT appear in Sao Tome, Zanzibar was conquered. Gold was taken from Ashanti. Serfdom was increased, so Portugal Empire, despite on a lot of uncovertion provinces, has very small stabcost comparing income. Income raised from 27 ducats to 45 mid-session and 94 at the end.
At the second session, time for Africa gold and Timbuktu came. Portugal had great 5-5-5 conqs and LT9, some MA - pagan were done very easily. Small CoT appeared in Puerto-Rico, Calcutta was conquered, Keiptown CoT appeared too. All census taxes were sent to merchants and TPs. Infra 4 and Infra 5 were done to 1532. Income increased to 163 ducats. From this time Portugal could finally earn enough ducats in treasury. Before Portugal had only 87 census tax income.
Next session 1532-1554, Portugal owned 8 CoTs already. Converted to reformed. Another great conq conquered China to grab Shanghai and Guandong before CoT appear there. So there were only following non-Portugal Asian CoTs (i don`t count those which OE usually takes) - Mascate (capital of 4 provinces), Malacca (capital of 7-8 provinces), Pegu (capital of 5-8 provinces), and capital of China.
LT14 and NT11 were reached, as good target to stop and economize. Next effective one were only NT17 and LT18. Trade 4 and Trade 5 were done (Trade 6 was on more than halfway) and 8 refineries were built. Income was doubled to 340 ducats. The help was done actively for Spain to defeat the France. In all wars vs France Portugal aid was one of the most important, not only economical, but military too, using good leaders or CRT. Spain could keep France and don`t make own position dangerous, which was important for Iberians independance after 1630.
Next two sessions 1554-1586, i was on vacations, and Deil subbed me, using my exact typed plan. For this time Iberians were in wars vs France and OE, defeated France once, but in 1586 France dowed again and had +80WS on Spain. Portugal didn`t interfere much, having +11 WE after war with OE. Income was raised by 100 ducats to 430, LT18/NT18, trade6/infra6 reached. Portugal started slow colonization finally, though was rather small - only 32 provinces.
A lot of ducats went to wars of Habsburg, besides gold rule gave +6,5% inflation.
In 1586-1604 Portugal started actively great comeback using CRT and nice fire leader to free Spanish provinces. For several years we achieved from -80 to +50WS on France, so peace was signed for 2 provinces of France. When the WS was near 0, France was offered WP, but refuced. OE was on vacations same as me and FAL, and despite bigger expansion in Italy to border France !!! (Venice was left 4 provs only) OE had a lot of WE, and was almost stabhitted by Russia, who took unprotected Siberia. Bob returned and wiped out Russians easily using CRT, but Austria dowed him and grabbed back Tirol, gold province and another one, so OE lost land access to own Italy lands. They were sold by low price, because naval advantage of Iberians would let to grab enough WS and stabhit without land fighting.
In 1604 Portugal reached 21/21/7/7 techs, max possible without going ahead of time. Income 490. Offensive 9 and quality 9 were reached. Land was 0, Aristocracy 1, only one click to cheapest warships.
Portugal scared a lot of coming uber-leadership of Dutch and England, and realizing own small naval limit, teched to costy warships efficient time to be ahead of competitors for securing of own CoTs. As suspected, Dutch and England had more and more close relations, which would become future threat for Portugal, because for both of them portugal cots were very good target to unite and strike using uber-admirals. So when Dutch and England got big conflict with Scandinavians, Portugal aided Scandinavians.
Colonization was continued on better rate now. France dowed and dowed again, but it didn`t take much efforts to kick them back now. It took much efforts to make them peace. After 1600 Portugal got more inflation because of gold rule, summary - +15,0% inflation from gold rule. No deflation events happened during the whole game for Portugal and Spain.
At 1604-1619 Scandinavians decided to take a lot of core provinces of Holland, but were ready to sell them at good price later. That kept away NL to look for hostile against Iberians, and soon they asked Spain to be their vassal. Austria was funded to kick OE and made success to regaining more provinces. Portugal teched beforehand in future 8/8 trade/infra. As well we colonized and conquered pagan Benin and converted. Cyprus, Albania was annexed, Rhodos was gained.
Spain lowered BB much faster than Portugal because of Aristocracy DP slider and better monarchs, so they annexed islands in Med to give Portugal back.
That were agreement signed with OE to give NAP for 100 years (so they secure Alexandria and coastal attacks), and instead they sold 3 islands for 1500 + ref on Crete for 1000.
That let Portugal grab all islands before Eng or NL become enough strong to buy them for own limit and cutting Porto limit. As said, Portugal politic was to go one-two steps before NL and Eng.
In 1619-1641 Portugal reached 26/26/8/8 and teched enough to 9/9 when 1690 comes and time for 9/9. Austria was funded heavily to keep OE busy and waste a lot of own money to stop OE development. Well meaning situation in 1586, it works very good - OE didn`t progress much for this times. And because of that it was seen like OE won`t appear in China and Timbuktu in the end of the game, so no worry about this CoTs for Portugal. OE was weaken and thought only about future PE.
Spain was funded for 5 refineries.
In 1641-1668, last session Portugal calculate some things not to go ahead of time and came to conclusion that before 1690, Portugal will need to spend at least 200 000 ducats of cash
About 10-15% is enough to invest LT/NT to keep at modern and in 1690 it was needed to invest something in future 10/10. Colonization was done at full speed with 6.8 colonists. Income raised to 600, 700, 800 ducats and almost reached 900 ducats at the end. Whole Benin was converted (about 15 provs). Islands of OE were transferred to Portugal, and ship limit became about 750.England was subbed by Aladar in uncooperative mode, ended in embargo of each other, which gave me free hands to go for Ireland despite 3-6-6 english admiral. Spain dipannexed Venice, so Portugal should get Veneto, Ferrara and Ionia, after that Portugal would have 1000-1100 ships limit.
13 refineries were built, insane amount of money were sent to Austria. While Deil subbed them, he went to win, but Ear couldn`t do, so the result was WP. Not bad too, meaning OE left with DoTF and 15% bigger techcost.
At the end Portugal had over 800 warships at limit, built a lot of forts, and still had 40K ducats in treasury.
Tonio, I take my hat off to you. Shame I was England right? Hopefully when we switch to EU3 for MP I can keep up with your skillz.
Hopefully when we switch to EU3 for MP I can keep up with your skillz. 
Van Engel said:Tonio, I take my hat off to you. Shame I was England right?
......you can keep trying engel.......
Dr Bob's Country Rankings (-OE which was first )
1) Portugal: Bleh, Tonio got very, very rich and then used it to help his side win in every theatre. Beating England by itself in 1650 is impressive but it had a lack of meaningful competition if I am honest, especially when Holland got emasculated by Sweden. Also I think he turned the tide for Spain in several France wars which a noteworthy feat for a 15MP nation.
2) Sweden: Played Sweden well, beating Poland early on was more than I expected, and had a baltic coastline despite being hampered with a human Denmark. Did well economically although focus on land meant that trade never got as big as it could have. Some distasteful diplomacy which should not really have been tolerated but did manage to stay friends with Denmark and Russia although it is possible this was due to circumstances.
3) Spain: Not a masterful performance but fair from fal, although I did get the impression Spain was definitely the junior partner with Portugal, and reliance on Portugal and Venice to beat France was a negative. Did not get rich till about 1600 but when the growth started it was impressive, getting nearly as rich as portugal and beating France in the last war.
4) Poland: Killed off BB early and managed to hold onto much land that would have gone to Brandenburg, as well as taking most, if not all of Lithunia this looked like it could be a very powerful Poland, but losses to Sweden along with an inexplicable surrender of much of the baltic left them as the definite inferior to Sweden. Still a couple of victories over Russia so not too shabby.
5) Denmark: Got a nice scandanvian partnership with Sweden going and did well off it, taking a significant portion of Germany and having possibly the best navy outside Lisbon. Unfortunatly loss to Poland meant a diminishment of German possessions and Denmark hadn't found any really profitable places to colonise and trade wasn't too great compared to the other naval countries.
6) Holland: Apart from one lost war Holland did very well, unfortunately that lost war left them without a homeland and a vassal of Spain. Did get mighty rich from good trading and colonising though and can't be blamed too much for the loss due to Ego's deal breaking.
7) Austria: Got crushed by the Ottoman Empire at the start and only narrowly escaped total annihilation by appealing to the Sultan's sense of deceny and niceness. This was followed by a backstab of the OE and a series of wars to take back Hungary funded heavily by Portugese ducats. Wars weren't all that successful despite possessing most advantages but Austria was strong at the end, if heavily dependant on Portugese money to stop there economy imploding.
8) Russia: The loss of the Siberian corridor to the ottomans hurt, but far more crucial to Russian weakness was the neglect of land tech, they fought many wars at a CRT down and you cannot win at those sort of odds against a strong Poland or OE or Sweden in one case. Was also forced to fight against many enemies and never secured a strong ally to back them up.
9) England: Attempt to be a spanish lap-dog failed and ended up getting crushed for it. Strong colonisation was the one good thing that can be said of England, although Engel did try to get involved in baltic affairs which was nice to see. Strange decision to stay catholic didn't turn out well, although I am not sure what Engel hoped to gain. Never traded as it should nor did it gain control of any CoTs and was overshadowed by the Scandanvians on many levels.
10) France: Went through a series of rise and falls, but did not know when to concede defeat and fought on long after victory was impossible. Had the potential to be mighty with a strong OE and weak Austria but lost a crucial war to Portugal and Spain that started them down the slope. Never got any trade going and realised colonies would merely be cheap WS for the iberians and so didn't build any.
11) Venice: Didn't really do much except for get beaten by Spain, France and the OE before finally being annexed by Spain despite Portuguese attempts to resurrect them.
)1) Portugal: Bleh, Tonio got very, very rich and then used it to help his side win in every theatre. Beating England by itself in 1650 is impressive but it had a lack of meaningful competition if I am honest, especially when Holland got emasculated by Sweden. Also I think he turned the tide for Spain in several France wars which a noteworthy feat for a 15MP nation.
2) Sweden: Played Sweden well, beating Poland early on was more than I expected, and had a baltic coastline despite being hampered with a human Denmark. Did well economically although focus on land meant that trade never got as big as it could have. Some distasteful diplomacy which should not really have been tolerated but did manage to stay friends with Denmark and Russia although it is possible this was due to circumstances.
3) Spain: Not a masterful performance but fair from fal, although I did get the impression Spain was definitely the junior partner with Portugal, and reliance on Portugal and Venice to beat France was a negative. Did not get rich till about 1600 but when the growth started it was impressive, getting nearly as rich as portugal and beating France in the last war.
4) Poland: Killed off BB early and managed to hold onto much land that would have gone to Brandenburg, as well as taking most, if not all of Lithunia this looked like it could be a very powerful Poland, but losses to Sweden along with an inexplicable surrender of much of the baltic left them as the definite inferior to Sweden. Still a couple of victories over Russia so not too shabby.
5) Denmark: Got a nice scandanvian partnership with Sweden going and did well off it, taking a significant portion of Germany and having possibly the best navy outside Lisbon. Unfortunatly loss to Poland meant a diminishment of German possessions and Denmark hadn't found any really profitable places to colonise and trade wasn't too great compared to the other naval countries.
6) Holland: Apart from one lost war Holland did very well, unfortunately that lost war left them without a homeland and a vassal of Spain. Did get mighty rich from good trading and colonising though and can't be blamed too much for the loss due to Ego's deal breaking.
7) Austria: Got crushed by the Ottoman Empire at the start and only narrowly escaped total annihilation by appealing to the Sultan's sense of deceny and niceness. This was followed by a backstab of the OE and a series of wars to take back Hungary funded heavily by Portugese ducats. Wars weren't all that successful despite possessing most advantages but Austria was strong at the end, if heavily dependant on Portugese money to stop there economy imploding.
8) Russia: The loss of the Siberian corridor to the ottomans hurt, but far more crucial to Russian weakness was the neglect of land tech, they fought many wars at a CRT down and you cannot win at those sort of odds against a strong Poland or OE or Sweden in one case. Was also forced to fight against many enemies and never secured a strong ally to back them up.
9) England: Attempt to be a spanish lap-dog failed and ended up getting crushed for it. Strong colonisation was the one good thing that can be said of England, although Engel did try to get involved in baltic affairs which was nice to see. Strange decision to stay catholic didn't turn out well, although I am not sure what Engel hoped to gain. Never traded as it should nor did it gain control of any CoTs and was overshadowed by the Scandanvians on many levels.
10) France: Went through a series of rise and falls, but did not know when to concede defeat and fought on long after victory was impossible. Had the potential to be mighty with a strong OE and weak Austria but lost a crucial war to Portugal and Spain that started them down the slope. Never got any trade going and realised colonies would merely be cheap WS for the iberians and so didn't build any.
11) Venice: Didn't really do much except for get beaten by Spain, France and the OE before finally being annexed by Spain despite Portuguese attempts to resurrect them.
All of this was decided in the second session, sadly.Dr Bob said:
Day after Roskilde, hadnt slept for more than 24 hours and still with some Tuborg Grön in my system. I had planned on doing the same as i did against Brandenburg against Sweden, since those two are the main enemies of a powerful Poland.
I completely miscalculated Denmark's response (Denmark is incredibly important in beating Sweden) when i offered to help them take Scandinavia. When i realized that they were actually helping Sweden against Russia, i reacted too late. Lost quite alot of battles and eventually Sweden took Danzig. I could have bitched (read: stalled) a little about that rule and come out clean from the entire war, but i didnt really think clear.
From then on, the Scandinavians had a perfect strategic situation, where they could hit Poland anywhere they wanted, while i had to run after them. The surrender of the rest of the coast was inevitable in this light. It was far more favourable than facing GIIA, since England and Netherlands could not reach Poland for help. Their fleet had proven totally worthless.
Still quite astonished that Denmark did not agree to conquer Scandinavia
. She would have been in an entirely different situation than the game ended with, instead of the lapdog/bitch of Sweden that she became. Oh well, might have been because Lyko was Brandenburg before. Clouded judgement.Well, seems like Lyko was not aware that Ego was planning on backstabbing Denmark either. Had Absolut not DoWed Denmark right then, Poland and Sweden would have attacked Denmark.
I also doubt Ego's argument that the backstabbing plans were meant to stall Poland. He certainly could have gone about it in a much less devious manner, i mean, Sweden had at that moment full momentum in the East...