byzantium's cultures in GC

[unmerged(6677)]

I just started playing a GC as Byzantium, I decided to go with converting to Catholicism in 1439 and now in my cultures box it lists Italian twice. So Byzantium's cultures are greek, slavonic, italian, italian. Why did this happen? Was one of the italians supposed to be something else?

Thank you

 

[BiB]

Nah, there's just a redundant one. Doesn't do anything.

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Yup, same happens to the Timurids, they get mongol afghani afghani

 

[kurtbrian]

maybe they are twice as tolerant towards Afghani??

 

[unmerged(9371)]

It's just some kind of cosmetic bug

 

[Mad King James]

still think they should have Romanian

 

[unmerged(9371)]

Originally quoted by Mad King James

still think they should have Romanian

I agree with you.

 

[unmerged(9074)]

If BYZ survives and annex the Turks (which has to be a goal for BYZ, right?) then they sould get turkish culture, as in the EEP.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Ledhead
If BYZ survives and annex the Turks (which has to be a goal for BYZ, right?) then they sould get turkish culture, as in the EEP.

I doubt it will be implemented in future patches, but if you want other options than what the game provides then you should of course use the EEP

 

[unmerged(9074)]

No and thre is no reason why in the original GC, it's historical incorrect 1453...

 

[Emre Yigit]

My tuppeny-worth would be that the Byzantines stand as much chance of wanting Turkish culture as Torquemada did of converting to Calvinism.

 

[Wulfram]

I think Byzantium should start out with just Greek (Should be called Roman) Culture. Sure it ruled places with other cultures once, but that was quite a while ago, and they didn't really have any particular ability to keep them under control anyway. Them having (Or gaining) Italian culture is just wierd.

Oh and it shouldn't get Turkish Culture, but instead should get events similar to the Expulsion of the Moors events which Spain gets.

 

[unmerged(9074)]

Hmm...what little I've read the BYZ didn't seem to be so hardcore.
They were influenced by the turks and persians in military fashions and had turks in their service.
I've also read that the Iconclasm was inspired by the muslim orthodox view of icons.
And wheren't very Roman for being Greeks?

 

[Mad King James]

The Romanians only split off of Byzantium because they were seperated from each other by the Bulgarian Khanate's rise, them and the Serbs and Albanians were close right up to the fall of Constantinople.
My personal opinion is Albania should be Orthodox (not Catholic) and Byzantium should start with Greek, Romanian, and Slavic cultures, and be able to gain Italian and Turkish later on. (you already can get Italian with the Council of Florence, and the EEP allows you to gain Turkish)

These cultures were pretty similar in 1419, and only really became definitively seperate under centuries of Ottoman rule.

 

[unmerged(9074)]

Good opinion Mad!
Don't know if I'm in a position to disagree, but I like Wulframs idea of a single culture for BYZ in the GC start.
I also think that BYZ should have the possibility to gain other cultures based on what you wrote.
I don't agree at all with Wulframs and Emres thoughts on BYZ narrowmindedness culturewise.

 

[Pan Zagloba]

Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB
Yup, same happens to the Timurids, they get mongol afghani afghani

And Poland gets Polish Lithuanian Ruthenian Lithuanian after the Union of Lublin.

Zagloba

 

[Raghnall]

Albania's state religion should be Catholic and not Orthodox, because I remembered they were in the Crusades. At least the 3rd one, the one with Richard the Lionhearted.

Oh and Byzantium shouldn't get turkish culture just because the culture of the government means this is the type of culture the government is. Not who that government likes. If that was true then England should get German culture or France getting Huron culture lol. Greek, Slavonic, and Italian make good sense with me. Though Romanian would be fine being the culture isn't a far cry from Italian/Slavonic. Turkish I would think would be right out, unless there was an ahistorical event that added turkish by sometype of reUnion of the peoples like when Byzantium conquers most of Turkey/at such and such date (give it awhile that way you could have events of turkish uprising and maybe a civil war) and trys to ammend the relations between the greek and turkish people by giving the turks more power in the government. You could have some council and maybe two provinces convert to the state religion, worsen relations with islamic nations(like they wouldn't be bad enough already lol) , and stabilty go up 2 points or something like that.

 

[Mad King James]

the thing I don't get is the beginning Italian culture...
I mean sure it's the eastern ROMAN empire, but this is 1419 not 380... Byzantium was about as Italian as the Ottoman Empire was. Romanian on the other hand, is a whole different story.

Gaining Italian on becoming Catholic makes some sense, but starting with Italian doesn't.

 

[Wulfram]

Originally posted by Mad King James
the thing I don't get is the beginning Italian culture...
I mean sure it's the eastern ROMAN empire, but this is 1419 not 380... Byzantium was about as Italian as the Ottoman Empire was. Romanian on the other hand, is a whole different story.

Gaining Italian on becoming Catholic makes some sense, but starting with Italian doesn't.

I'd guess the justification is that they ruled quite a bit of Italy only 400 years before the game start, so they have a slightly beter claim than the Ottomans. Not a very good reason, but it's the best I can come up with.

 

[Alexandre]

Originally posted by Mad King James
still think they should have Romanian

No. While there were close relations between Byzatnium, Moldavia and Wallachia, and a lot of Byzantine families (including all of the surviving imperial ones) ended up in Romania, there was no real history of Byzantine rule over Romanians.

Alexandre