Byzantium

[Wizzington]

OK, I'll give Byzantium Theodosian Walls and Greek Fire since it's more historical. Just as long as you don't mind the following historical changes as well:
- Reduce Constantinople to <10 development
- Remove important center of trade and black sea toll from Constantinople
- Morea should be a vassal or independent
- Athens should start with their independence supported by the Ottomans

Sound good?

 

[Wizzington]

Well if you are going to do that you better add an event that gives Constantinople the trade modifiers when is under Ottoman control

I'm not doing any of those things, mind. I just wanted to point out that Byzantium is insanely powerful in 1444 in EU4 compared to their actual level of power in history, so maybe complaining that they don't have enough Special Roman Powers on top of that is a little silly?

 

[Wizzington]

Granada is cooler than byzantium, and a similar situation - the last remnant of a once great empire. Buff Granada!!! Events for Granada!!! Flavor for Granada!!

Albania and East Frisia are my personal favorite countries in EU4, but Granada is cool too.

(I need to get around to making some East Frisian ideas)

 

[Wizzington]

Favorite as in favorite to play or as in you just like those two states the most in general?

A mix of liking little underdog states, both of them having some seriously badass rulers (Skanderbeg/Edzard I) and finding them fun to play.

 

[Wizzington]

Do you form Netherlands as Frisia?

Nah, I've done East Frisia -> Germany though. I think my next game will be East Frisia -> Germany without joining the HRE.

 

[Wizzington]

And why are you not going to do these exactly? So that you can always come in with your trump argument and be the final arbitrator of what Byzantium should or shouldn't be, while the peasants argue among themselves below? As if it's the community's fault that Byzantium outlives Denmark with the present state of balance. Seriously these threads have become really tiring.

Give Morea as vassal with historical friends, make Kirkilisse of Greek culture & owned by Byzantium (all the coastal cities up to and excluding Varna were owned by Byzantium until 1453), transfer TP to Genoa. Just make sure to leave the absolute minimum required for skillful players to be able to survive for the fun of it. Otherwise move the frigging starting date and let's be done with this.

Because Byzantium should be winnable and also this is an empire building game, not 100% Accurate HIstory Simulator 1444

 

[Wizzington]

Aha! But it should be accurate up UNTIL 1444 start date as you start historical, and then allow players to take their own paths and build their own Empire, if the game does not start historical then this game has no historical base at all, and then we might as well give Byzantium laser weapons and disco balls.

There are no historically accurate computer games, all are abstracted to some degree or another, and this is exactly how it should be. Even if you somehow have a completely unanimous consensus on what exactly is historically accurate, requiring 100% historical accuracy from a historical strategy game is like expecting every object in a puzzle physics game to have perfectly relative mass down to the atomic level.

 

[Wizzington]

It really just sounds like you want special powers for your pet nation, honestly. The game would not be any more or less historical for adding it, so make some gameplay arguments instead.