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Byzantium opening moves
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Switch to a different bookmark and switch back. The cores will be restored and Ottomans will no longer be at war with Albania.
As far as I understood, it is the way it is supposed to be in 1444. The "bug" is when you switch to a different bookmark and switch back.
Regarding the core, that is true that it is annoying but on the other hand, the start is much easier than before.
How so? Aside from Lithuania cutting Crimea off from you. I'm just asking as the player now has to spend more time fabricating and coring certain provinces, and the Ottomans tend to spam galleys like crazy now.
The fact that Lithuania cuts Crimea off allow you to block all the troops to come at you. Thus, the only issue is the Ottos galeys. However, it is not hard to destroy them. From the start, I am not recruiting any troops but I am only building galleys. I wait until the Ottos DOW Candar or Karaman or someone else so they remove all their troops from Anatolia and then, you can attack them. The cheesy trick is that their galleys are never together when they are at peace so put your on one of their stack and DOW them.
But it doesn't make sense that the cores would exist later and dont exist earlier...Not to say that it been completely ahistoric....Anyways I have seen worse. Ty for your time m8
I think being super successful as Byzantium requires understanding the mechanics. In my last Byz game, I ended up with France in a PU. Strategically marry, keep an eye on that notice and take full advantage of it. France was my general ally, though I frequently ended up at war with them. I didn't want them to get too big, but didn't want them getting destroyed as my family was on the throne of France and Spain...wowsers.
I think Russia is only a factor if Novgorod loses that first war, which only happens about 60% of the time, if Nov wins, then Russia is pretty much a non factor, unless they eat the entire GH, also not guaranteed. You really need to be watching your borders and making decisions based on that. I don't know what's with Poland in this patch but they do not advance in mil tech, they end up being a useless ally. Two games in a row, they were at tech 3 and 4 respectively while countries around them, including Lith, were at 7 or 8.
I think Russia is only a factor if Novgorod loses that first war, which only happens about 60% of the time, if Nov wins, then Russia is pretty much a non factor, unless they eat the entire GH, also not guaranteed. You really need to be watching your borders and making decisions based on that. I don't know what's with Poland in this patch but they do not advance in mil tech, they end up being a useless ally. Two games in a row, they were at tech 3 and 4 respectively while countries around them, including Lith, were at 7 or 8.
Having France in a PU is more of a curse than a blessing ... they will try to anihilate you as soon as possible.
That depends how early we're talking. After the first 100-150 years, we're not talking HYW England any more, we're talking about a player nation more than capable of laying a beatdown on France with the ability to drag it into wars to keep it from doing so while integrating it.
My attempt so far:
My opening (I've seen several very similar to it, but it yields great results):
1. Improve relations with Poland and Aragon; build galleys, as many as you can.
2. Wait for the Ottomans to be engaged in any war on the other side od the strait.
3. Hire a good admiral. Reroll if you have to.
4. Find a separate stack of the Ottoman fleet, "park" your fleet on the top of it.
5. Declare war.
6. Occupy everything in Europe, take as much as you can.
After the first war you should already have Poland and Aragon as allies. You can almost immidiately start fabricating claims on Venice (don't stop building up your fleet), declare when you find their navy separated. In the meantime, improve relations with France. Take from Venice your cores and claims, but it is a good idea to take Friuli even without a claim - having it allows to fabricate on Austria. As soon as you get Poland, Aragon and France to fight with you, smack Austria. Take Tirol and Lienz, release Styria as vassal. Rotate fronts.
All in all, easier than you think.
Have fun^^
My opening (I've seen several very similar to it, but it yields great results):
1. Improve relations with Poland and Aragon; build galleys, as many as you can.
2. Wait for the Ottomans to be engaged in any war on the other side od the strait.
3. Hire a good admiral. Reroll if you have to.
4. Find a separate stack of the Ottoman fleet, "park" your fleet on the top of it.
5. Declare war.
6. Occupy everything in Europe, take as much as you can.
After the first war you should already have Poland and Aragon as allies. You can almost immidiately start fabricating claims on Venice (don't stop building up your fleet), declare when you find their navy separated. In the meantime, improve relations with France. Take from Venice your cores and claims, but it is a good idea to take Friuli even without a claim - having it allows to fabricate on Austria. As soon as you get Poland, Aragon and France to fight with you, smack Austria. Take Tirol and Lienz, release Styria as vassal. Rotate fronts.
All in all, easier than you think.
Have fun^^
i play the ottomans all the time. the beginning game for ottomans is always a two front or more war. my latest game has been going well. i took all of serbia, constinople, and vassal bynz... that is two wars,.... followed immediately by a two front war. i had to send troops to crimea to help with the horde and i had to enforce peace on the mamluks who were attacking turkish minor ally. as soon as i ended the war with mamluks taking adana, antiock, and allepo from them then i was immediately forced to enforce peace against the qar guys who were marching into eastern turkey minors. the entire time 30k of my troops are bogged down in crimea and cannot do much due to manpower shortages.
my problems are not war exhaustion while playing the ottomans. i can go from war to war and maintain very low war exhaustion and a +3 stability keeping unrest low. the problem has been manpower. in the early ottomans game i have multiple fronts that the early manpower (with devinshire selected since start of game) cannot keep the armies supplied. my 30k army stack in crimea did its job and beat down the hoard giving crimea full passage but my armies were weakened to only 10k men and would not regenerate due to my other war (luckily my manpower went to my mamluks and qar warfronts which also has 30k stack army) and therefore the crimea armies could not suppress the horde rebellions thus crimea walked away with only one piece of land when finally decided peace.
i believe the other very important early game front lines is sevilla and the straits of gibralter. this front requires at least another 30k stack of men, and requires more for a good offensive. as i am saying war exhaustion was not a problem at any point during all those wars. only manpower was my number one problem. this is very early game which i trying to solve manpower problem by choosing quantity for first idea for the +50% manpower and +20% manpower recovery speed. i am planning to only buy the first two ideas from quantity until later in the game.
to defeat the ottomans i think getting them into a multi-front war that is very manpower exhaustive is how a person could defeat them. maybe not me since i have multiples of tactics that will crush your puny armies ... but maybe will help you overcome the ai.
My attempt so far:
My opening (I've seen several very similar to it, but it yields great results):
1. Improve relations with Poland and Aragon; build galleys, as many as you can.
2. Wait for the Ottomans to be engaged in any war on the other side od the strait.
3. Hire a good admiral. Reroll if you have to.
4. Find a separate stack of the Ottoman fleet, "park" your fleet on the top of it.
5. Declare war.
6. Occupy everything in Europe, take as much as you can.
After the first war you should already have Poland and Aragon as allies. You can almost immidiately start fabricating claims on Venice (don't stop building up your fleet), declare when you find their navy separated. In the meantime, improve relations with France. Take from Venice your cores and claims, but it is a good idea to take Friuli even without a claim - having it allows to fabricate on Austria. As soon as you get Poland, Aragon and France to fight with you, smack Austria. Take Tirol and Lienz, release Styria as vassal. Rotate fronts.
All in all, easier than you think.
Have fun^^
What the.....It took me 2 freaking centuries to go through Italy in my first Byz game (1.4), due to that alliance web and HRE mess and you took over the eastern med in a century? Colour me impressed.
@ amonraa : First time I hear an Ottoman player having manpower problems. Maybe take quantity?
Also this discussion is OFC against the AI. I cannot see a Byz player standing against an Ottoman player in MP unless his best buddies play something equally powerful and are locked in permanent alliances,
I'm too scared to resume this game. I've been using the Iberian's colonial CB's to keep us in perpetual war. I can declare war on Austria for their throne whenever I want. This game is too much for me.
Byz is not too hard with those galleys and strategic positioning. Also Lithuanian provinces DO help to keep Crimea out of the war, and, of course, Crimea got much smaller
But what about playing as the vassal of Byz, Athens? Is it the same gameplay after the independance war but harder to claim provinces?
But what about playing as the vassal of Byz, Athens? Is it the same gameplay after the independance war but harder to claim provinces?
Byz is not too hard with those galleys and strategic positioning. Also Lithuanian provinces DO help to keep Crimea out of the war, and, of course, Crimea got much smaller
But what about playing as the vassal of Byz, Athens? Is it the same gameplay after the independance war but harder to claim provinces?
The thing with Athens is that they are culturally (the dynasty) and religiously Latin. Therefore the best bet is the old tried urbino->HRe thing and form Italy from there on.
I feel cheated. This was not conventional wisdom in the past and I started doing it and posted it and now it is
I really feel this is risky and unnecessarily so. First of all, you pick up AE with europe for doing this. Secondly, having Serbia as your vassal does not make you more secure against the Ottomans. Thirdly, you now pick up Hungary as a potential enemy. Something to remember is that your actions also potentially cause alignments that in turn affect other nations. If your AE somehow causes the AI to get Poland and Hungary allied such that say, Hungary, also allies with France as they frequently do, then the addition of Poland allying with Hungary because your vassalizing of Serbia caused Hungary to feel more threatened than Poland's border friction, could ultimately result in Austria being damaged enough to not be able to bail you out against the Ottomans.
Thus, I feel the "warmonger" approach to the Balkans early on is unnecessarily destabilizing to the region such that it is not necessarily to your long term advantage to do this early on.
Rather, I like doing a fast no CB on Cyprus and moving your capital. A reason for this is that when the timing presents, you can have CB's forged on the Otto western core countries, attack and vassalize *them*. You grab up what are, imo, better lands from a trade value standpoint, and you can double down by grabbing up Trebizond. So having Cyprus gives you the ability to create CBs for more wars and more expansion on Mamluk lands and ultimately taking Alexandria without having AE with Hungary, Poland, Lithuania and Muscovy, on top of the Ottos.
Thus, I would not go warmonger and I would not at all recommend early moves on the Crimea.
Focusing on taking and controlling Alexandria and later Aleppo will produce much higher trade income through Constantinople than will going for Crimea, aside from the AE and alliance/coalition implications of your Crimean aspirations.
Taking non-core Balkans lands and stuff outside of the Middle East and North Africa is something I would leave for the late game after Basileus is secured.
This is what I did previously.
On the other hand, this is purely a matter of opinion
Allying with Poland or Austria were the only powers that could intervene and save you how was it not always conventional wisdom?
Go read the wiki. Austria was never conventional wisdom until more recently. The recommendations were Poland and Hungary.
Likewise, going for Cyprus to forge claims throughout the Eastern Mediterranean and Anatolia was a more recent innovation as well.