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Byzantium needs a rework. Not in a good way.
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I actually have a degree focused in history. And my focus was specifically western religious history.
Thank you for the wikipedia link, though.
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250 years off topic and irrelevant to the situation in the area at the time of the game. Nice try, though.
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We already established in the thread that Genoa and Venice guaranteeing Byzantium at the start would be more accurate.
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Genoa and Venice guaranteeing Byzantium? Even if it would be accurate historically, It hurts the gameplay too much. It is something we don't need at all, especially for a nation like Byz which is designated to fall in the first years of the game. Maybe making some events like "Republic of Genoa/Venice sends help" or something like this would work.
P.S. Here is another 150 years off topic war if you are interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Venetian_War_(1296–1302). What I was trying to say is that Venetian and Byzantines were never friends, that's why I highlighted "historical friends with Venice" in the quote.
P.S. Here is another 150 years off topic war if you are interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Venetian_War_(1296–1302). What I was trying to say is that Venetian and Byzantines were never friends, that's why I highlighted "historical friends with Venice" in the quote.
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The only thing I can imagine being added is some sort of event for council of Florence where in exchange for to submitting to the pope ERE would get a massive opinion boost with all catholics allowing them to ally some western powers. But that's just an idea.
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Historical friends was intended to encourage an alliance, and make it easy to get, but not determine it would happen.
Guaranteeing is historical. Genoa and Venice were guaranteeing Byzantium.
If you nerf Constantinople to a level that is more reasonable, historically, for a run down and besieged city of 50,000, then hte guarantees would balance that out.
Also, as happened historically, just because Genoa and Venice are guaranteeing Byzantium doesn't mean they will actually come to aid.
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One factor that should be mentioned is how quickly Constantinople fell, this denied the ability of venice to actually help (although whether they would have after being bribed not to is anyones debate).
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So, "sumitting to the Pope" means converting to Catholicism + losing stab, right?
Yes. Perhaps even additional unrest in capital. This way byz start wouldn't be such a gamble. Naturally AI should be weighted heavily against agreeing to it to preserve historical outcome.
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The problem is even with crazy unrest you can always give in to the rebel's demands and convert back. And your allies will still do your work for you. Or there should be an event that negates entirely the opinion boost (and adds some malus) if you ever change your religion again.
There is no need for special bonuses for byz converting to catholicism, just a decision (because historical events are annoying and new players would have to go digging through files/wiki to learn about it) allowing you to go catholic if you have secured good relations with the funny hat guy, possibly even requiring alliance. There is plenty historical ground for that possibility and from gameplay perspective it'd be a huge boon, since it'd swing reasons to marry by (from top of my head) 15 and opinion by 20, those are more than enough to easily secure alliances with austria/hungary/poland/bohemia/aragon.
But honestly imo as was said before byz is fine as is.
But honestly imo as was said before byz is fine as is.
The historical outcome would be the Byzzies converting to Catholicism and trying to hold the union together until the very end.