So how long is it taking you guys to end the first war with the Ottomans? I remember one person saying it took 26 years...is it taking that long for everyone else?
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Well they went bankrupt 20-22 years into the war. The last 6-4 years was spent waiting for Greek rebels to pop up.
Nope. Never happened to me or anyone else for that matter. It should be impossible for Algiers to be called into the war half a year after it started.
If you're scared of Venice dowing you you can cancel the vassalization of Albania during the war. Never happened to me though.
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Just tested it again. The Ottomans disbanded their army in 1455, complete bankruptcy followed soon after. After that it really just depends on how lucky you are getting friendly rebels and how long you are willing to wait for them to show up. You can always peace out early for 100% war score if you can't wait to get your cores back; it's not like the Ottomans will ever recover from the ordeal. However, it's worth waiting to get them for free.calvinhobbeslik said:
Yeah it's not exactly correct. However, occupying a province will prevent the owner from using harsh treatment again.StatikShocker said:
went pretty well. made peace. ready to attack again. venice declares for albania and calls CASTILLE, ARAGON, NAPLES, and AUSTRIA. yeah let's destroy the romans they finally beat the turks
It is 1515 and i reestablished Theme system. This strategy works pretty well. In first war i took all my cores held by turks except Edirne. In 2nd war i used same loot strategy as before and forced them to release as many nations as possible and after that greek patriots finally spawned in Edirne and took i for me. Ottomans was down to 3 provinces so i vasalised them and fed with their cores until i have everything needed for Theme system. Thx again for this strategy but im afraid Paradox will nerf it to the ground next patch cuz they simply dont want you to play Byzantium.
I'm in 1452 I've had Crimea join liberate a province kill some of my soldiers so I sunk there fleet and then they peaced out, just about to to win sieges on my 3rd and 4th provinces bit behind because of the Crimea thing.but going well got a 12 stack of ottoman peasant rebels but they just keep moving between hudavendigar and Izmir which I had already won sieges on. Guessing ottomans running out of money they only have 2 galleys still the same army though see how it goes but looking good
It's 1462 and the Ottomans finally started disbanding their army. At first their regiment numbers started to dwindle until they had seven regiments left. Then, after a couple of months they further reduced their regiments to 4. However now they are gaining ~0,7 ducats a month. I'm not sure if I can win a battle against 4 ottoman regiments with my 7 regiments, especially since they have military tech 4. The wiki says that bankruptcy gives -100% land morale. Did the Ottomans already go bankrupt and if they did, how can I check it? Is it a country modifyer?
I've tried this a few times to see what possible starts I can get and how lucky I can be.
The war with the Ottomans goes well except for their fleet which sometimes moves really early into Marmara, sometimes even before my first galley is built. Even with my fleet in port, their troops in Edirne rarely ever cross. They've only done so once during my first try but they either crossed back without my knowledge or they disbanded. My fleet usually gets engaged and then I have to port. The Ottoman fleet stays at see or docks but eventually I get enough galleys and wipe them easy.
I've had greek rebels spawn a few times and they're really great. Rhodes defects very often. Cyprus defects or is released most of the time.
I pick naval idea for my first. It seems essential to defeating all those haters.
My problem lies with the post-war situation. I usually get DoW by Mamluks, Naples, and some of the anatolian minors like candar and karaman. Alone, they would be easy. Maybe just the Mamluks cause me problems because they DoW fast and my fleet doesn't match their 34 ship stack. Then when you build more you're all split up and they call Tripoli so that's 7+ more ships. I could concede Cyprus or whatever nonsense they want but after or during I get another DoW. Worst scenario I had was having to release Morea/Achea, free Albania(if annex or vassal), free Bulgaria (if vassal) and cede whatever anatolian lands I had.
So I'm wondering how people go about dealing with those situations. How do I prevent or prepare for a DoW? Where should my focus be after Ottomans? What provinces do I need to prioritize during the Ottoman peace? Do I get bulgarian provinces and release it as a vassal? Should I try to get bosnia or serbia allied or vassaled? I haven't tried that last one since it seems risky.
I guess I'm looking for any tips to increase my chances of a forming the empire. I even tried westernizing but I got some sunni rebels and had to convert. Didn't like doing that.
The war with the Ottomans goes well except for their fleet which sometimes moves really early into Marmara, sometimes even before my first galley is built. Even with my fleet in port, their troops in Edirne rarely ever cross. They've only done so once during my first try but they either crossed back without my knowledge or they disbanded. My fleet usually gets engaged and then I have to port. The Ottoman fleet stays at see or docks but eventually I get enough galleys and wipe them easy.
I've had greek rebels spawn a few times and they're really great. Rhodes defects very often. Cyprus defects or is released most of the time.
I pick naval idea for my first. It seems essential to defeating all those haters.
My problem lies with the post-war situation. I usually get DoW by Mamluks, Naples, and some of the anatolian minors like candar and karaman. Alone, they would be easy. Maybe just the Mamluks cause me problems because they DoW fast and my fleet doesn't match their 34 ship stack. Then when you build more you're all split up and they call Tripoli so that's 7+ more ships. I could concede Cyprus or whatever nonsense they want but after or during I get another DoW. Worst scenario I had was having to release Morea/Achea, free Albania(if annex or vassal), free Bulgaria (if vassal) and cede whatever anatolian lands I had.
So I'm wondering how people go about dealing with those situations. How do I prevent or prepare for a DoW? Where should my focus be after Ottomans? What provinces do I need to prioritize during the Ottoman peace? Do I get bulgarian provinces and release it as a vassal? Should I try to get bosnia or serbia allied or vassaled? I haven't tried that last one since it seems risky.
I guess I'm looking for any tips to increase my chances of a forming the empire. I even tried westernizing but I got some sunni rebels and had to convert. Didn't like doing that.
Check their revolt risk. If they go bankrupt it'll show +3 from bankruptcy. You can also change your message settings to give you a popup when other countries go bankrupt.
If you are really struggling to beat the ottoman 8-12 stack you can unblockade Constantinople and let them cross into Anatolia. Hopefully by then there are a lot of Ottoman peasant running around to help wreck the stack while you finish up
When I did Basileus in 1.3, Muscovy was a good ally until the late 18th century. I also tried Austria and Hungary, but Hungary is pretty weak and Austria dragged me into wars (they PU'd Aragon, which caused Castile to dow them all the time). Lithuania is good if they don't get PU'd. Poland sets you as rival when they integrate Moldavia. France was also a good ally until I got a PU on them, but they rarely helped with offensive wars in the east.
Edit: this is a response to Panzerschiffe
Edit: this is a response to Panzerschiffe
I waited till 1470 but didn't get no Greek patriots so just siege and took stuff myself I had enough warscore to take my cores and izmit and hudavendigar also just coring those now I also have a coalition against me consisting of the ottomans and a few minors and Crimea. Going to try and get an ally was allied to Georgia because they ate aq quyunlu I think it is the ones to east of ottomans but then Crimea ate them. The ottomans are devastated though that is the main thing.
I tried getting Aragon, Austria, and Poland into an alliance but all I could get was a royal marriage after boosting relations. Serbia asked me for an alliance during my Albania war. I figured I'd accept for the Dishonoured Call against the Ottomans. Otherwise, no one ever seemed to like me...Basileus, forever alone-eus.
I'm not sure why the Ottomans are attacking you with their navy.... But basically what I do. In order to make sure naples, venice and Mamluks don't dow you. You need to make sure you increase relations throughout the duration of your war. I increased relations with Aragon, Austria, Poland, and Hungary and then Venice and Mamluks. They tend to attack you because they think you are weak, after you finish the war against the Ottomans you /need/ allies to keep people from attacking you.
Also while I'm at war with the Ottomans and draining them.. Canadar tends to take your core in north Anatolia, so use your forces to vasalize them and take your core back. During the war I also take Athens back, and vassalize Karama (I think it's something like that) You can feed candar and Karama Ottoman claims in your future endeavors. Take back your cores in the Balkans and wait for another war to give claims to your new vassalize. Leave Bulgaria alone eventualyl they will rebel, no need to force the release. After that I annexed Georgia out right and hard cored them, started to make 10 ducats a month. After finished with Georgia either Bosina or Serbia will be open for vassalization.
As you may guess, I will be getting Bulgaria next, and then Wallachia. Having vassals and allies will keep the big fish off of you.
Thanks for this tactic, was really fun to try. I migth try it again soon.
At the start, i didn't know how to loot at start. It didn't help but i manage to kill his fleet.
Also, rebel spawned into albania quickly after they broke and didn't get a chance to have a massive grec uprising. So i was force to peaceout without any free province. I would happily down candar or Karaman but they both join a coalition.
I also discover i could use the peasan rebel to beat the ottoman army before they broke. I just let one come into anatolia and hide my manforce. When they attack the peasan i join and beat the army. Since the were about to broke anyway, they never rebuild their army.
Nice screen rain. I would try that in my next games.
At the start, i didn't know how to loot at start. It didn't help but i manage to kill his fleet.
Also, rebel spawned into albania quickly after they broke and didn't get a chance to have a massive grec uprising. So i was force to peaceout without any free province. I would happily down candar or Karaman but they both join a coalition.
I also discover i could use the peasan rebel to beat the ottoman army before they broke. I just let one come into anatolia and hide my manforce. When they attack the peasan i join and beat the army. Since the were about to broke anyway, they never rebuild their army.
Nice screen rain. I would try that in my next games.
well I keep trying. but 55 years into the war and never a single greek patriot. despite 45% revolt risk... heavy evidence that these numbers are broken
Ottomans tend to use harsh treatment on Greek provinces. Honestly you will be very lucky if the auto flip for you. Don't wait for the auto flip, let the ottoman peasants gather in Anatolia and then let Ottoman army cross to finish them
Been getting really odd results. Algiers joined the war somehow decades after it had started and Ottoman fleet behaviour has been stranger than usual and other plain wtf moments like Athens and Aragon being allied and then Venice and Aragon and some other junk nations trying to save Albania. I used to be able to get some gold from Albania in peace deal to build more galleys but they flat out refuse anything above 0 gold in my last 3 games. Maybe they're out of money? That hasn't stopped them before.
Haven't gotten any decent results. It works but AI is so random.
Haven't gotten any decent results. It works but AI is so random.