Byzantine Themata system possible?

[Lord_P]

Sweet Ahura Mazda, this is great news! Maybe I should try Byzantium again some time after CM comes out...

 

[Tufto]

Shouldn't it be Megas Domestikos or something like Domestic of the Schools?

Wiki says that it effectively became a Western marshal equivalent in the Komnenian period (according to Choniates).

 

[darthfanta]

Wiki says that it effectively became a Western marshal equivalent in the Komnenian period (according to Choniates).

I'm not sure how right that is. At the very least, Protostrator isn't the highest military rank in the ERE. It's either the Megas Domestikos or the Domestic of the Schools depending on which period.The council office of marshal in game represents the commander in chief of the army as opposed to a Marshal in real life.

 

[Thure]

I'm not sure how right that is. At the very least, Protostrator isn't the highest military rank in the ERE. It's either the Megas Domestikos or the Domestic of the Schools depending on which period.

Remember... The marshall localisation is used for every Greek ruler. Even for playable counts.

 

[darthfanta]

Remember... The marshall localisation is used for every Greek ruler. Even for playable counts.

And?It's not like counts can appoint marshals in Western Europe. IIRC,that's the prerogative of the king.

 

[Thure]

And?It's not like counts can appoint marshals in Western Europe. IIRC,that's the prerogative of the king.

I just want to say that Domestic of the Schools or Grand Domestic would be a little bit to high for the marshall a count, right? But it's really compleyx to find a fitting term for the whole game timeline.

 

[darthfanta]

I just want to say that Domestic of the Schools or Grand Domestic would be a little bit to high for the marshall a count, right?

Isn't that essentially true for a count as well? A marshal is a high ranking officer of a kingdom,not the leading commander of a mere count,even if he is the stable master of the king.The office of Marshal in game also represents the commander in chief of a domain's military forces as opposed to being a stable master.

 

[Thure]

Isn't that essentially true for a count as well? A marshal is a high ranking officer of a kingdom,not the leading commander of a mere count.The office of Marshal in game represents the commander in chief of a domain's military forces as opposed to being a stable master.

Marshall just means stable keeper. It's not restricted to kings. It was an important office in many courts not just for kings. Protostrator is the exact Byzantine equivalent of this title.

 

[darthfanta]

Marshall just means stable keeper. It's not restricted to kings. It was an important office in many courts not just for kings. Protostrator is the exact Byzantine equivalent of this title.

Initially that's true.Except later on during most of the game's time-span, it became a highly prestigious title granted by the king.In many places, the title turned into the office denoting the King's second in command in the army, the de facto commander in chief.

Also like to point out that if you kept to the original meaning of Marshal, Marshal probably isn't appropriate to describe the council office in charge of military forces in game.

 

[Chef Boyardee]

Pretty cool news! You guys always add neat touches to things.

 

[sreckom92]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

 

[CzokletMuss]

Although I also think that Megas Domestikos would be better than Protostrator it's a minor detail. I'm very glad that you made these changes! I have to ask however because I don't remember - are the viceroys part of the free patch or of the DLC?

 

[stilgarpl]

although i also think that megas domestikos would be better than protostrator it's a minor detail. I'm very glad that you made these changes! I have to ask however because i don't remember - are the viceroys part of the free patch or of the dlc?

dlc:

now, to viceroys... With the charlemagne dlc, it will be possible for a non-tribal emperor tier character to appoint viceroys to rule any kingdom or duchy titles that the emperor himself holds.

 

[Thure]

dlc:

This means not much... They often use this phrase for patch features too. And it would not make sense toi make a crown law DLC only... Especially because they don't like that retuines are a DLC feature and this would be similiar. Oh and how would viceroys be in the history files if they are DLC only?

 

[Voy]

Why did the Byzantines stop using this system if it was so waterproof?

 

[stilgarpl]

This means not much... They often use this phrase for patch features too. And it would not make sense toi make a crown law DLC only... Especially because they don't like that retuines are a DLC feature and this would be similiar. Oh and how would viceroys be in the history files if they are DLC only?

Venice and pagans are in the history files and are DLC only
Everything is there, you just can't use it.

 

[Ecnahc]

HIP or specifically Project Balance already has a Theme system in place. It works as a law.

 

[Thure]

Venice and pagans are in the history files and are DLC only
Everything is there, you just can't use it.

Eh... That's a difference. You don't seems to know how this mechanics work

 

[Tabris01]

Question: Are there some latin localistation (Praefectus/Proconsul) if you rebuild roman culture, will they get some standart localisations or will they stay with the greek one?

 

[Voy]

Eh... That's a difference. You don't seems to know how this mechanics work

They can easily lay a "has_dlc_charlemagne" as a requirement on the law.