Byzantine Themata system possible?

[Emperor Marcus]

Since tribes are getting their own unique system separate from Fedualism is it out of the question Byzantium will finnally get the Themata System incroprated into their Empire? The transformation and decline of the Themes happened in the late 10th and 11th centuries now were entering what? The 8th century? While I doubt Charlemange will have it (considered it wasnt advertised in the dev videos) the incorporation of new systems of governance for the tribes brings some hope for this old Byzantine fanboy...

 

[Maggnuss]

They will have to improve kingdom / empire mechanics some day. So many people are asking for a better HRE, tribal / nomad mechanics, better feudal inheritance system, etc. Themes should be included in that future DLC.

 

[theStormWeaver]

Aren't Ducal Viceroys very similar to how the Themata System worked?

First game I'm running after Charlemagne (read: after the first patch comes out) will be a Roman Reconquest where, once the Empire is restored (the first part, before the borders are restored), I'll create King level Viceroys, with custom localization calling them Governors.

 

[darthfanta]

Aren't Ducal Viceroys very similar to how the Themata System worked?

First game I'm running after Charlemagne (read: after the first patch comes out) will be a Roman Reconquest where, once the Empire is restored (the first part, before the borders are restored), I'll create King level Viceroys, with custom localization calling them Governors.

Pretty much.

 

[Maggnuss]

Aren't Ducal Viceroys very similar to how the Themata System worked?

First game I'm running after Charlemagne (read: after the first patch comes out) will be a Roman Reconquest where, once the Empire is restored (the first part, before the borders are restored), I'll create King level Viceroys, with custom localization calling them Governors.

Exarch would be a better term. Strategos for ducal level titles.

 

[Will Steel]

Exarch would be a better term. Strategos for ducal level titles.

Indeed. In the last days of the late Roman Empire (i.e. the Dominate) under Heraclius, what remained of the outer (western) regions of the Empire were all Exarchates. Although even the Dioceses could do. These were basically collections of smaller provinces (many equal to the size of duchies), and equal to any large medieval kingdom, without feudalism of course. The only difference was that Diocese was a fully integrated and centralized administrative unit with prefects appointed by the Emperor himself and were frequently rotated. Exarch was basically an almost-fully autonomous military governor (comparable to a vassal king) that ruled in the name of Roman Empire. He could rule his lands for life, set his own laws as long as they favoured the empire, and at least during Justinian's reconquests an Exarch was actually considered a temporary military governor until the full Diocese could be restored, which unfortunately never happened.

Now with custom titles, we can hopefully even create the Praetorian Prefectures.

Although I would love to see return of proper provincial governors and Imperial bureaucracy once you reconquer the former territory as the Eastern Roman Empire. And then once you retake the old western provinces, the same system would work there as well.

 

[JohanLerstrom]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

 

[unmerged(187365)]

I think with the appointment mechanics (for holy orders) already in place and with the addition of viceroyalties, it shouldn't be hard for a modder to combine these into a new governance type for the Byzantine/Roman Empire.

I'll certainly be on the lookout for it.

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

This is awesome.

 

[Thure]

That's awesome Johan! (Are viceroys DLC only?)

 

[LumberKing]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

What about the two-Duchy limit? Will appointing Viceroys count as handing out Duchies?

 

[zyphial]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

Excellent, now when are you going to implement a voting system on the forum so I can give this the upvote it so rightly deserves?

 

[yourworstnightm]

That's awesome Johan! (Are viceroys DLC only?)

If it's DLC only the DLC should change name to Charlemagne, and finally fixing the Byzantines btw.

 

[Kurblius]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

Oooh. This is cool. I want to appoint Exarchates. It's such a cool name. The Exarchate of Ravenna shall live forever.

 

[VolitionNewlove]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

Will there be similar laws to all administrative realms, or will they still remain a copy-paste of Western European Feudalism?

 

[gaaz453]

byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine king level viceroys are called exarchs and their title is refered to as an exarchate
byzantine duke level viceroys are called strategos and their their title is refered to as a theme

must not fap

 

[Kurblius]

One thing - aren't the Byzantine marshals in the game currently called Strategos? You'll have to change that to avoid confusion.

 

[JohanLerstrom]

One thing - aren't the Byzantine marshals in the game currently called Strategos? You'll have to change that to avoid confusion.

They are now called Protostrator

 

[Tufto]

Byzantium gets a special law giving them access to the Viceroys early ( everyone else needs fairly high tech ) and giving them a slightly easier time managing their vassals.
Byzantine King level Viceroys are called Exarchs and their title is refered to as an Exarchate
Byzantine Duke level Viceroys are called Strategos and their their title is refered to as a Theme

They are now called Protostrator

This. This has turned this expansion from Good to Amazing.

Thank you for this.

 

[Tirenedon]

Does this mean that all Byzantine vassals start out as viceroys?

 

[darthfanta]

They are now called Protostrator

Shouldn't it be Megas Domestikos or something like Domestic of the Schools?