Byzantine mod project

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What Next

o how about this: after byz conquers all the it's original provinces...what then
1. It could recreate the roman empire or
2. like the mongols,start to conquor the world

 

[HMS Enterprize]

I really dont think all this recreate the roman empire talk is sensible, at the start of the LAST MILLENIUM the Emperor's had decided this idea was a pipe dream.

A modern Byz would not (even at its most skilled battlefield level) probably encompass more territory than than I mentioned in my last post (especially considering its financial+manpower problems that contributed to its demise in the first place)

 

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So how is this mod coming along anyways, it would seem like an awesome mod when it is finished.

By the way, might I suggest instead of trying to make a new Roman culture when the Empire forms, just use cultures that are already present. For 1 thing it is easier, but also, if re-building a Byzantine empire after years under the Ottamans, the idea of a Roman culture had kind of died out and people became more nationalistic to their own culture, if anything, it would be the religion uniting them.

 

[Taear]

I think the way you've described these events seems a tad implausable. I realise it's supposed to be "fantasy" events, but wouldn't it be a lot better if they were "Alternate History" instead?

It would seem that after 500 years, there would be little chance of the Greeks deciding that they want to re-create the Eastern Roman Empire.

Would it not be a better idea to go with the premise that Romania (bear in mind that Byzantium was NEVER the name of the Eastern Roman Empire, a french historian made it up in the 19th century) managed to weather the Ottoman storm, and re-build itself (possibly with the help of another eastern power. Poland?) and now stands united in the 1800s? Of course, this would involve assuming a few events have already taken place earlier on, in the time covered by EU2, and expanding from that base. This would mean that it is in a FAR better position in the game, and actually has a chance of being a real world power, even participating in WW1, most likely on the side of the Alliance.

Or you could take a different tack. You could lift the ideas Harry Turtledove used in his "Agent Of Byzantium" series/book. In this, Mohammed never founded islam. Instead, he became a monk of Orthadoxy. The empire still holds sway over huge swathes of land by the 1000s. This, again, would involve creating many events, but could still be feasably done.

It just seems to me that Greece deciding it's Romania is venturing into the realms of High Fantasy, while an alternative history setting for the Empire would allow it to be stronger, and be a lot more fun.

Here is the article showing the name the Empire actually gave to itself, incase you decide that it's better to use that.

 

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Taer,

Greeks in the 19th century looked back at Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire, or just "Roman Empire" - the latter is the term officially used anyway) as their predecessor and actually they fathomed a future as a reborn "Roman Empire" (under the name of Greece, but with the legacy of Byzantium as the foundation).

There are many legends and popular stories (the myth of the "six-finger king" is one, and the myth of the "turned into stone king" is another - two out of many) that flesh out, and the "Megalh idea" ("Great Idea"), a political thought that shaped the nations international policies and ambitions throughout the first 100 years of it's existence, was excactly the restoration of Byzantium in it's former glory. "Greece of the 2 continents and the five seas" is a practical description of that scenario, one that got trashed in the most decisive way after the "Asia Minor catastrophe" (as we call it here) in 1922.

So, I think a pure-fantasy scenario with Romania as wannabe Byzantium, is completely out of proportion, while the Greeks trying to rebuild the Byzantine Empire is not only logical (since the BE was Greek) but also historically true - they managed to create a mini-BE in the 1920, but lost it two years later.

 

[Impi]

in theory, one could play as Byzantium in EU2 and then convert it over on the ol' Eu2Vic utility. no need for tortured imagined histories, as one will have a plausible history dating back to at least 1419 (or 1066 if you've CK) to work with. it's not perfect, but it is simple. instead of simply using greece to do the job, i created a new user define Byzantium, and created a suitably edited version of the ottoman political parties as well.

if you really wanted events, well, i guess the pressures on a 19th century byzantium would be much the same as those that faced the ottomans (and other unweidly, multinational empires like austria and russia), so many of the events can reasonably be transposed, with alterations.

the axis of the empire would be westward toward europe rather than eastward toward the islamic hinterland, i guess, but i suspect that, like russia, the state symbol of the double headed eagle would represent the political and social dichotomy of byzantium, i.e. are they of the east or the west?

possible cleavage patterns:

secular/religious

military/civil

islamic/christian

modernist/traditional

much the same as the ottomans or russia, indeed. which is why i transposed the ottoman parties, with suitable alterations. the people involved would largely be the same, after all.

the russians were never particularly shy about conquering and partitioning and subjugating their fellow slavic imperialists (poland, ukraine, etc.), so there is little reason why having a fellow orthodox emperor rather than a muslim sultan on the bosporus would have stopped their ambition to obtain a port on the med. they would simply have found an alternative pretext, i guess.

i guess that by the late 19th century, the "emperor of the romans" would come to resemble all of the other monarchs of the period: an unhealthy, consumptive dimwit more easily amused by shooting, shagging and eating things, who was largely of german extraction, and probably related to Queen Victoria. i guess if revolution came, it would take the guise of the "second republic" or something.

anyway, here's one i made earlier, to coin a phrase.

 

[Jace]

wow i like the look of that map alot 4 mega super powers and a few smaller ones must have lol.