Byzantine Emperor is Ecumenical Patriarch.
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im playing on Ironman as the Doge of Alba.just noticed this.ive never seen the patriarch be emperor before.
I was about to make a snide remark about searching the forum first, because this bug is so incredibly common now.
But maybe we should just be bombarding the front page with screenshot threads of this until PDS actually fixes this one.
It's a game changer: basically making one of the most powerful realms on the map uber stable. A theocratic Byzantium stops producing claimants and the only types of factions are council power and independence. It's even worse if you're playing as a vassal too.
But maybe we should just be bombarding the front page with screenshot threads of this until PDS actually fixes this one.
It's a game changer: basically making one of the most powerful realms on the map uber stable. A theocratic Byzantium stops producing claimants and the only types of factions are council power and independence. It's even worse if you're playing as a vassal too.
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Have people at least figured out how this happens, or should I just keep playing EUIV for the time being?
Easy enough to figure out, just check the title history for the Empire. I think what happens is that factions force elective succession, then the ecumenical patriarch gets elected and the theocracy is implemented automatically.
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I've seen the reigning Basileus become Ecumenical Patriarch before so it isn't just the result of a faction placing him on the throne. I only noticed because I was playing an Irish republic and suddenly noticed that Venice had vanished as a republic; the Ecumenical Basileus held Venice for a while and then handed it off to a new Doge.
I can't remember what happened to the Patriarch title after he died; for some reason, seems like he handed it off to the Captain of the Varangian Guard.
I can't remember what happened to the Patriarch title after he died; for some reason, seems like he handed it off to the Captain of the Varangian Guard.
Oh sure this is OK but I get game over when I try to make the Basileus into Most Serene Doge. Honestly, I feel like I see this happening in about 25% of my CM starts. In one of my current games the ecumenical basileus has the largest and most stable Byz I've ever seen the AI put together. They are holy warring in every direction. Almost pushed as far east as India.
I'm pretty sure that was the same game where Charles became Waldensian after Karloman died and formed Francia early on, which resulted in Catholicism itself becoming a minority and a heresy as a result. Since Rome was now in the hands of a vile heretic, the Pope proclaimed an era of Crusades and the Holy Orders sprang into being and promptly converted to the primary sect. He then declared a Crusade for Frisia since he couldn't actually do anything about Rome being held by himself after all.
So, yeah, that was a weird game.
Why is a theocratic ruler even an eligible candidate in feudal elective?
Why aren't they disqualified the same way republics are? With theocracies being unplayable anyway it's not like it has any value to the player to make them eligible, quite the opposite.
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More fun happens when next Emperor and Patriach will be elected.
They will start usurp and return Constantinople between each other once per month.
They will start usurp and return Constantinople between each other once per month.
I believe what happens is that the Byzantine Emperor likes to grant the patriarch a theme every now and then. When the patriarch dies, the theme goes back to the emperor, but so does the patriarchy title.
Basically, the emperor shouldn't be giving the patriarch themes, and the patriarch title shouldn't go to the emperor even if the patriarch winds up with a theme.
I raised a bug for it when conclave first came out, but it's still around. It seems to happen pretty often, and is particularly annoying when you're playing as a vassal of the empire.
Basically, the emperor shouldn't be giving the patriarch themes, and the patriarch title shouldn't go to the emperor even if the patriarch winds up with a theme.
I raised a bug for it when conclave first came out, but it's still around. It seems to happen pretty often, and is particularly annoying when you're playing as a vassal of the empire.
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Viceroyalty can only be granted to feudal ruler.
I saw this bug couple of times on forum but never myself. Most people report there are no record in title history... well there are records of title moving but with no comment (like "inherited", "granted"), just blank.
Is the bug not coming from the fact that Patriarch is able to join factions? He should be the most loyal vassal to the emperor. Once Patriarch dislikes emperor and joins factions that eventually looses, emperor goes and revokes his king title The Patriarchate. Emperor probably also cant give that title back right away so you end up with empire tier theocracy.
This is a major issue with the game IMO. There is non stop succession changes from factions. Often the ruler just concedes or is so overwhelmed they just lose quickly. Almost every game I have played the past couple of years ends up with everyone either elective or seniority. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much Seniority. Seniority always leads to many issues. when you have large countries like France and say the Duke of Normandy just keeps switching hands to some aged Karling. No one ever lives long enough to change it.
Overall there needs to be way less AI wanting to change succession. 75% of the time the people wanting succession change have no dog in the hunt. More often than not its not even in their interest. I have seen AI rulers go to war to change succession that actually prevents them from inheriting and screws up all their claims
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I went digging through old save files and it turned out that the situation was even stranger than I remembered.
This is Basileus Kyrillos the Wicked. If you'll notice, it claims that he was elected to the position of Basileus but, while I wasn't paying attention when it happened, I'm pretty sure that was incorrect. That's because all of his holdings were acquired from his predecessor or personally acquired after he became Basileus; he had a successful holy war for most of the new counties and acquired the Ecumenical Patriarchy five years after he became Basileus. Would they randomly elect a landless courtier, even one of the ruling dynasty (and a distant relation at that as you'll see in a minute), Basileus?
Now, his successor to the Ecumenical Patriarchy.
Ecumenical Queen Thekla, who inherited most of Kyrillos' holdings but not the title of Basileus.
Here's the Isauros family tree.
Note Kyrillos's predecessor as Basileus, Ioulianos, to the left. No male children, no grandson, no surviving brothers, nephews, or uncles. I think what happened here was that the title was Agnatic and the only viable candidate was Kyrillos since it bypassed several closer female relatives. Also note that Thekla is Kyrillos' niece since his daughter died before him.
This is Basileus Kyrillos the Wicked. If you'll notice, it claims that he was elected to the position of Basileus but, while I wasn't paying attention when it happened, I'm pretty sure that was incorrect. That's because all of his holdings were acquired from his predecessor or personally acquired after he became Basileus; he had a successful holy war for most of the new counties and acquired the Ecumenical Patriarchy five years after he became Basileus. Would they randomly elect a landless courtier, even one of the ruling dynasty (and a distant relation at that as you'll see in a minute), Basileus?
Now, his successor to the Ecumenical Patriarchy.
Ecumenical Queen Thekla, who inherited most of Kyrillos' holdings but not the title of Basileus.
Here's the Isauros family tree.
Note Kyrillos's predecessor as Basileus, Ioulianos, to the left. No male children, no grandson, no surviving brothers, nephews, or uncles. I think what happened here was that the title was Agnatic and the only viable candidate was Kyrillos since it bypassed several closer female relatives. Also note that Thekla is Kyrillos' niece since his daughter died before him.
I'm guessing it means the Ecumenical Patriarch can inherit the Emperor title if he is somehow related to the dead Emperor?I went digging through old save files and it turned out that the situation was even stranger than I remembered.
This is Basileus Kyrillos the Wicked. If you'll notice, it claims that he was elected to the position of Basileus but, while I wasn't paying attention when it happened, I'm pretty sure that was incorrect. That's because all of his holdings were acquired from his predecessor or personally acquired after he became Basileus; he had a successful holy war for most of the new counties and acquired the Ecumenical Patriarchy five years after he became Basileus. Would they randomly elect a landless courtier, even one of the ruling dynasty (and a distant relation at that as you'll see in a minute), Basileus?
Now, his successor to the Ecumenical Patriarchy.
Ecumenical Queen Thekla, who inherited most of Kyrillos' holdings but not the title of Basileus.
Here's the Isauros family tree.
Note Kyrillos's predecessor as Basileus, Ioulianos, to the left. No male children, no grandson, no surviving brothers, nephews, or uncles. I think what happened here was that the title was Agnatic and the only viable candidate was Kyrillos since it bypassed several closer female relatives. Also note that Thekla is Kyrillos' niece since his daughter died before him.