Where are damn it, that should been special feature byzantine empire. If was in game well I would melt.
Byzantine and Palace Coup!!
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It would be nice if the more powerful vassals in the Byzantine Empire would form a faction to put themselves on the throne. In my game as the Byzantines I only ever have vassals rebelling in support of my estranged nephews. Once the claimant didn't even rebel. You'd think if a duke was going through all that trouble to defeat the Basileus they wouldn't want to just hand the title over to a random relative of the former emperor.
An easy way to do this would be to simply allow Dukes in the Byzantine Empire who are powerful enough (say, if they have prestige, or piety, or control enough land, or are married into an imperial dynasty, or some combination thereof) to, via decision or event, get a claim on the Byzantine Empire. Once they have a claim, they can attempt a faction claimant war like normal. This is the simplest way to do it without drastically effecting current gameplay, and I'm sad PI didn't include something like this.
Another temporary solution would be to give several dukes at game start strong and weak claims to the Empire in the history files (for those of us who know a bit about modding). I've done that for my mod-in-development, and in the test games I've run, it's done an okay job at mimicking these sort of coups (at least better than the vanilla 1066 start, which isn't the best anyways - the ~1077+ start has many more claimants anyways).
Another temporary solution would be to give several dukes at game start strong and weak claims to the Empire in the history files (for those of us who know a bit about modding). I've done that for my mod-in-development, and in the test games I've run, it's done an okay job at mimicking these sort of coups (at least better than the vanilla 1066 start, which isn't the best anyways - the ~1077+ start has many more claimants anyways).
Why would we need unreadable sentences to be in game, when we can already restore Rome and heal the Schism 
I was kindo upset when they didn't include this with the Byzantine DLC. Either they give this to us, or we are gonna start a faction and take it ourselves!
Surely the plots "fabricate a claim on the byzantine empire" and "acquire the byzantine empire" amount to the same thing?
Plots aren't the same thing... they just don't give this coup-ish feeling.
Because palace coups are named such because they do not involve large scale warfare.
I don't know. Co-conspirators, bribery, double-dealing, then the final approach to force him to abdicate without violence. Sounds quite coupish to me.
But he doesn't always accept it and a revolt starts. Also, it's just another plot. I want something more unique. Currently, a plot to become the emperor is the same with a plot to kill Rudolph, a courtier in England.
It wouldn't be very much fun if you're playing as the emperor and suddenly you get a palace coup event and your dynasty is ousted. However, something should be done so it isn't as likely that one family holds the throne forever.
If look at history of Byzantine Throne that thing go pass more them musical chairs. Only two families in it entire where able to hold it for reasonable amount of time.
A palace coup should be an option every time a strong enough faction usurps an emperor that is currently not residing in Constantinople. Indeed, it was a palace coup that fell upon Romanos IV when he was captive in Arslan's court, and it was a fear of palace coup that kept Alexios I from joining the First Crusade.
Palace coup was more then just faction it about know right people, getting marry or seducing the Princess or Empress, getting people drunk, work Eunuchs, then placing blade in somebody ribs. Or you could be creative and if Constantinople hates him just tie to pole and then crowd tear him apart.
I dunno about you guys, but sometimes I marry off my daughters to the Big Name Greek houses (ie the ones with their own CoA) just to give their heirs a claim on my throne. It adds a dynamic in that I force strife in an other-wise peaceful nation.
How is the ERE a peaceful state? When I was Doux of Trebizond, the country was all the time ravaged by civil wars and stabbed by the Seljuks in the meantime (before the last patch, though).
I was really disappointed by the Legacy of Rome DLC not including this, since isn't the whole point of factions being added in LOR was to simulate the skullduggery and underhandedness in the Byzantine Empire?
Most of the civil wars in Byzantium tend to be lower crown authority factions, which is totally ahistorical. The Doukas tend to stay around forever until that dreadful invasion of Greece.
Most of the civil wars in Byzantium tend to be lower crown authority factions, which is totally ahistorical. The Doukas tend to stay around forever until that dreadful invasion of Greece.