Byz: why does the Knight decision never get mentioned?

[Vampiresbane]

So decided to start a Byz 1444 start the either day. Took in my surroundings, got my bearings, and then checked out the decision list. (I have Purple Phoenix dlc btw).

There’s a decision that gets unlocked if you have the first idea of Aristocratic unlocked: Knights. Gives the player a bunch of free military units.

Free units when you’re fighting uphill for the first fifty years? (Costs 200-400 MP)

But I’ve never heard anyone ever mention it.

Why?

 

[Orkonkel]

It's a decision available to all Eastern tech nations and one that's been there since EU3. From what I recall, it's pretty underwhelming and comes with a later backlash too. Not sure why you never heard of it before.

 

[deathbypie]

It's a trap!

Brings along some bad events I believe.

 

[kakatua]

Tons of bad events.
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Liberum_Veto_events

 

[Vampiresbane]

Hmm couldn’t find the decision in the eu4 wiki or find out what the repercussions were. Any reference links?

Edit: funny, no req for Aristo idea 1 or the war exhaustion I recall.

 

[holyvigil]

As others said it's an old punishing event from eu3. Better to go bankrupt than take that decision.

 

[makaramus]

remind me if I am wrong but that decision can cause good events as much as bad events if you are allways in war isnt it?

that decision is good if you are in non stop wars(wich is someting you must do it when you are gonna do since its giving you free men + reducing war exhaustion)

negative event only triggers in peace time. wich means if you allways fight only good event triggers and negative event never happens

I myself actually enjoy that decision a lot . just spend your peace time by dowing very small countries and its ok

you should only wait at peace with that decision when you are no longer want the effect and you got all stats min 3 ruler so you can get event to disable effect

 

[Bouchart]

Among the problems with Liberum Veto is that you have to unlock Aristocratic early, probably as the first idea group, and that's not something you really want to do ever. You have to be losing the war badly enough to have 8 war exhaustion. The only countries that would ever be in such a dire need of the free units wouldn't be able to afford them. You need at least 6 provinces to use it so Byzantium can't use it initially and neither can the Russian minors. The only country I can think of that can remotely make use of it is Novgorod because of their early wars with Muscovy.

I was hoping when Cossacks came out Paradox would've reworked the decision a bit but it's about the same as it was in EU3.

 

[Vampiresbane]

remind me if I am wrong but that decision can cause good events as much as bad events if you are allways in war isnt it?

that decision is good if you are in non stop wars(wich is someting you must do it when you are gonna do since its giving you free men + reducing war exhaustion)

negative event only triggers in peace time. wich means if you allways fight only good event triggers and negative event never happens

I myself actually enjoy that decision a lot . just spend your peace time by dowing very small countries and its ok

you should only wait at peace with that decision when you are no longer want the effect and you got all stats min 3 ruler so you can get event to disable effect

Should be pretty doable as Byzantine.

8 war exhaustion could be possible just by letting a war drag on ie to make a big enemy blob have lots of revolts. As far as sacrificing an idea slot, the second slot could be a possibility. Just activate it, declare a second war with your new troops, attack, sell back the second idea at half cost (only lose 200 mp overall) and then stay at war (declaring a new war against easy targets) until you have 3 min ruler and 3 stab.